Dr. Yawei Zhang, Researching Ways to Prevent
Cancer
February 7, 2010
Welcome to Yale Cancer Center Answers with Drs. Ed Chu and Francine Foss, I am Bruce Barber. Dr. Chu is Deputy Director and Chief of Medical Oncology at Yale Cancer Center and Dr. Foss is a Professor of Medical Oncology and Dermatology specializing in the treatment of lymphomas. If you would like to join the conversation, you can contact the doctors directly. The address is canceranswers@yale.edu and the phone number is 1888-234-4YCC. This evening, Francine welcomes Dr. Yawei Zhang. Dr. Yawei Zhang is an Assistant Professor of Epidemiology and Public Health at the Yale School of Medicine.
Foss
Yawei, could you start off by telling our audience what
epidemiology is?
Zhang
Epidemiology is a study of the factors that are affecting the
health and illness of the population. Epidemiology can
actually serve as a foundation for identifying risk factors, which
can be used to develop a strategy of intervention in the population
level. On the other hand, epidemiology can also be used to
identify the optimum treatment used for the
clinical practice.
Foss
So epidemiology stretches across all different areas of health, not
only illness, but health as well?
Zhang
Yes, exactly.
Foss
And the Yale School of Public Health and Epidemiology is a school
that is involved in the study of epidemiology in all different
areas.
Zhang
Yes, the school of Public Health has several different
divisions. Across almost all the divisions, we have the
discipline for the epidemiology part, and we do all the different
kind of diseases and what's the cause and what factors can affect
in prognosis and etiology.
Foss
Yawei, you are specifically interested in the epidemiology of
cancer.
Zhang
Yes.
Foss
Can you tell us what got you interested in these kinds of
studies?
Zhang
I had medical training in China back in 1993. My major was
preventive medicine. So I had the opportunity to be exposed
to both the clinical practice and epidemiology side. After I
graduated, I worked in the Health Department in China for about six
years, and during that time period I was involved in the nutrition
and immunization program for children. I worked there for
about six years and there is a program that sends people
overseas to learn more about new methodology regarding
epidemiology. So that's why I came to the United States and
started the M.P.H. and PhD program at Yale University. My
advisor was a PI for a population-based case- control study
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of non-Hodgkin lymphoma and breast cancer. I was involved in
both studies to help him run the study and we collected the data
and I used that data as my dissertation topic. Since then
I've liked epidemiology and felt that especially the non-Hodgkin
lymphoma is a very important, but understudied, disease in terms of
the etiology and what the causes of the disease are.
Foss
In fact, the Yale Cancer Center Epidemiology Department has done a
lot of the pivotal studies in the epidemiology of non-Hodgkin
lymphoma. Particularly there was a study that was done a
number of years ago that showed an association between hair dye and
lymphoma, could you talk to us a little bit about that study?
Zhang
Yes, I would love to. In about 1991, the National Cancer
Institute sponsored a workshop called The Epidemic of non-Hodgkin
Lymphoma because the incidence of non-Hodgkin lymphoma risk has
been increasing during the past several decades with unknown
reason. All the experts from different disciplines raised one
speculative hypothesis for the increasing trends. They said
it might be a personal use of hair dye, and this is based on
findings from an epidemiology study, the National Cancer Institute
investigator, conducted in Iowa and Nebraska. In order to
test this hypothesis and confirm the findings, we conducted a
population-based case-control study in Connecticut women. We
recruited about 601 non-Hodgkin lymphoma cases and about 719
population controls. We did a case control study and we asked
all the information about their lifetime hair dye use. From
the study we did find increased risk for women who started using
hair dye before 1980, and during that time period hair dye actually
contained carcinogens in their ingredients. We did not find any
increased risk for women who started using hair dye in 1980 or
after. So during that time period all the hair dye companies
changed their formulation for the hair dye products. This is
only from the Connecticut population. We wanted to see
whether this finding could replicate in other populations.
So, we collaborated with the International Lymphoma Consortium and
used populations from six European countries, and also other parts
of the United States. We came up with more than 4000 cases
and more than 5000 controls, and we did confirm our finding. We
found that a woman who started using hair dye before 1980 had an
increased risk for follicular lymphoma and CLL and SLL, two major
subtypes of non-Hodgkin lymphoma. But an interesting thing
from this analysis is we also found woman who started using in 1980
or after had an increased risk for follicular lymphoma, especially
for those women who used dark color hair dyes.
Foss
So based on your initial study that was done in Connecticut, the
hair dye companies actually had to switch their formulation to get
rid of the carcinogenic element.
Zhang
Yes, during the 1980s.
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Foss
But what are you saying is that in your subsequent study with the
different hair dyes, for the ones that we are using today, there is
still an increased incidence of lymphoma?
Zhang
Yes, that's true.
Foss
Do we understand again why that is?
Zhang
During the 1980s there were a couple of animal studies that
demonstrated certain carcinogens in hair dye formulation, so they
changed it, but they also added some new products in the hair dye
formulation, a new formulation. Right now we really don't
know whether those new formulations have potential carcinogens in
the products or not. Right now there is no new evidence to
really demonstrate that, but from the consequent studies we
included women from all over the world and also more recent cases
and women using the hair dye for more than 20 years. It may be the
long term, and we cannot exactly say that current hair dye is safe
or not safe. I think that more studies are needed.
Foss
You mentioned dark hair dye, does this pertain to all hair dyes or
just the dark colors?
Zhang
It's dark color hair dye including both permanent, non-permanent,
and semi-permanent hair dye.
Foss
And your study only focused on women, so we don't have any
information on men and hair dye use?
Zhang
Yes, from our study we only included women. But for the large
study we also included men in the study population, but we did not
find any association for men. It could be because in men, the
prevalence of use of hair dye is pretty low. Maybe for our
study we do not have enough power to detect this association, and
also another possibility is that maybe the hair dye has nothing to
do with men.
Foss
Yawei, can you let our audience know, when you do these
epidemiologic studies they are population based studies, and how
many people are we talking about? What are the numbers of patients
that you need to get a significant difference, and can you talk
about the role of the controls?
Zhang
For the epidemiology study it's hard to see the exact
numbers. It could vary from less than a hundred to a couple
of thousand. That totally depends on many-many different
factors based on the study design you are doing; is it a case
control study or a perspective follow- up study? And it's also
based on how strong the association is. You are looking at how
strong the association will be, a stronger association you don't
need that much of a sample size, if it's moderate association, you
might need a large sample size, but in general when we do a cancer
epidemiology study, we would like to find certain environmental
exposures or certain genetic susceptibility in relation to the
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disease and we need at least a couple hundred cancer patients and
probably a similar number of healthy controls.
Foss
And in your original study you mainly administered a questionnaire
to patients?
Zhang
Yes, we administered a questionnaire, and we also collected their
blood samples.
Foss
That's the point I wanted to get to is now-a-days, in epidemiologic
studies, a lot of what you do is based on the DNA?
Zhang
Yes.
Foss
Can you talk a little bit about that?
Zhang
For epidemiology studies in the earlier years, we mainly used the
questionnaire to get all the exposure information. Since then
we all know that everyone is exposed to certain carcinogens, but it
is not everyone that gets cancer, it's only certain people that get
cancer. So this involves genetic susceptibility. Some
people have a certain genetic mutation, certain alleles or certain
polymorphisms that make them susceptible to certain environmental
carcinogens. That's kind of the point we needed to really
look at, the gene environment to interaction to really identify who
is susceptible to certain environmental carcinogens.
Foss
When you do these genetic studies you look at these things called
SNPs?
Zhang
Yes.
Foss
Can you tell us what a SNP is?
Zhang
SNP is a Single Nucleotide Polymorphism, it's more like a point to
mutations in the DNA. As we know, every single person has
inherited from mom and dad two alleles for each gene, and for those
genes they all have single nucleotide polymorphism, it is along the
base pair.
Foss
It is basically the code of the DNA.
Zhang
Yes, the code of the DNA, and for those codes of the DNA they had
the variation in the general population. The single
nucleotide polymorphism represents all those different variations
and certain people carry those variations and other people carry
another variation, but some of the SNPs are in the coding region
and can change your DNA products, and some of the SNPs in the
non-coding region might not change your DNA, but they can affect
other factors like transcription
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factors binding ability. So that's why we can look at those
SNPs, but in general, all those SNPs are inherited from the
parents. They are not changed during development and it's not
changed based on the environment. So even though we have a
case, that they got a treatment, we can still look at their SNPs
and get a causal relationship.
Foss
So the SNPs basically tell you about specific genes which tell you
about specific proteins in that patient and those proteins may
explain why say one patient reacts to a hair dye and the other one
doesn't, for instance?
Zhang
Yes. We just did a paper on the use of hair dye. We looked at
the metabolic pathway genes, and the genetic variations metabolic
pathway genes, and we did find a certain variation, people carry a
certain variation in metabolic pathway genes and they have a higher
risk compared to other people when both exposed to the hair
dye.
Foss
Let's talk a little bit more about that after the break,
Yawei. You are listening to Yale Cancer Center Answers with
Dr. Yawei Zhang discussing cancer risk and epidemiology.
Foss
This is Dr. Francine Foss and I am here with Dr. Yawei Zhang,
Assistant Professor of Epidemiology and Public Health at Yale
Cancer Center. Yawei, we talked a little bit about the
genetics of lymphoma and how you look at SNPs, or these pieces of
DNA that help you to explain a predisposition to cancer. How
does that work for a patient? How do these SNPs lead to
cancer in some patients but not in others?
Zhang
For those genetic variations, they inherit it from their parents
and in general, the majority of them, from an evolution point, they
should be suitable to their surroundings and to the environment,
and the rapid economic change and the environment has changed a
lot. There are some solvents, new
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chemicals every year put into the market and for people it is
harder to change their genetic makeup to conquer all those newly
emerged chemicals. At the beginning, people have the
different genetic makeup or background suitable for all those
surroundings. We talked about the SNPs, all those SNPs are like a
genetic variation and certain SNPs can cause your DNA to translate
to the different products in terms of the protein, and it can
change your amount of the protein and changes the structure of the
protein. We can go back to look at people's genetic makeup,
and we can come up with the fact that some people may be more
susceptible to certain carcinogens and some people may not be
susceptible to certain carcinogens. We know that in the
genetic component of your body, there are so many different
pathways, the metabolic pathway, DNA repair pathway, and the
immune pathway, and through the different pathways it
changes the different structure of the protein and conquers the
different environmental stimuli. We can go back to look at
people's genetic makeup, and we can also get the information from
the environmental exposures, using the statistics model we can
figure out which genes, which certain genetic variations are
susceptible to certain chemicals. In the future, we can
inform people if they carry those genes, genetic variation, they
should stay away from certain carcinogen environments.
Foss
So this would be like identifying your genetic fingerprint?
Zhang
Yes.
Foss
And then applying that into your environment?
Zhang
Yes.
Foss
You talked a little bit about the role of lymphoma, genes and
lymphoma, but I know that your group has also studied a couple of
other types of cancer; breast cancer, testicular, and now thyroid
cancer. Can you talk a little bit about that?
Zhang
In our group we also look at breast cancer and testicular cancer
and we mainly focus on the environmental endocrine
disruptors. As you know, breast cancer and testicular cancer
are more hormone related cancers and a major hypothesis for those
two cancer types is environmental endocrine disruptors. We know
estrogen is a carcinogen for breast cancer, particularly, and
during the early 1980s, there were a couple of studies published
that found an increased risk of breast cancer associated with the
environmental endocrine disruptors like PBDE. If you have a
high body level of PBDEs, you will have a higher risk of breast
cancer. But subsequent studies, especially the most recent studies,
the majority of them found no association and even the protection
factor in certain studies. People will question what
happened, is it because of the different population or because of
the study design? So, when we look back there are some
certain concerns about the study. All the studies look at the
environmental endocrine disruptors in relation
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to breast cancer, all using the adult blood samples and collecting
the blood samples starting from before diagnosis of disease, or
just at diagnosis of disease, and people think that maybe you
capture the wrong exposure time window. Maybe the early life
exposure time is more important, as we know that during pregnancy
and early puberty, your mammary gland is developing and during that
time period if you encounter some certain environmental endocrine
disruptors, it will change your structure, like estrogen receptor
expression may be more susceptible to the future development of
breast cancer. That's why right now there is a huge effort to
look at the early life exposures of the environmental carcinogen to
the human breast cancer risk. Another point on this, people
also consider maybe the different genetic susceptibility around the
different population. So, that's why you do not find similar
results. Actually, we do look at the metabolic pathway genes
in one family with exposure to the PCBs and in relation to all
breast cancer. We do find that there is genetic polymorphism
modifying the relationship between the environmental endocrine
disruptors and the breast cancer risk.
Foss
You recently obtained funding from the American Cancer Society to
study risk factors for thyroid cancer, which is not a common
cancer, but I think last time I looked it was actually the number 5
cancer in the United States.
Zhang
Yes.
Foss
Could you talk a little bit about that one?
Zhang
For thyroid cancer, as you said, it's a rare cancer and also it's a
very mild cancer so it has a very good prognosis. Since the 1970s
until now, thyroid cancer has increased more than two fold, so,
it's a large increase. One of the major arguments for those
increases is over diagnosis, and so the increasing majority of
thyroid cancer is from small nodules, and they think that because
of the current technology available for ultrasound and many
subclinical patients have been diagnosed with the thyroid cancer,
but also some other considerations are we look at the SEER Data,
Surveillance, Epidemiology, End Results Program. It's
supported by the National Cancer Institute for the Tumor Registry
to collect all the cancer incidence prevalence and survival
data. From the SEER Data, you can look at all the trends for
whether the incidence rate is increasing for each different type of
cancer. With thyroid cancer, we have another point of view
and we do not totally agree with what the majority of clinicians
are considering, that this is over diagnosis for thyroid cancer. We
go back to look at the SEER Data and also the International Tumor
Registry Data, and we found that those increase are not only in
folks having small nodules, but the big nodules are also
increasing, and also from the International Data, there is a large
geographic difference and almost every single country has increased
incidence of thyroid cancer. So, we consider there must be
some environmental changes that caused thyroid cancer and as we
know, radiation is the major environmental risk factor for thyroid
cancer. We know that during the 1950s or 1960s there was a
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lot of radiation treatment for the head and neck that might
explain a little bit of the increase around the early trends, but
for the later trends, you cannot use that to explain the increasing
trends. So, we proposed two major hypothesis, one is that
maybe current diagnostic x-ray use might explain a certain degree
of the increasing trends, and also another major hypothesis we
proposed is flame retardants. It's a chemical used in the flame
retardants called PBDE that may also cause an increased risk of
thyroid cancer. This hypothesis is basically based on the
findings from an animal model. PBDEs can cause liver
toxicity, thyroid toxicity, and kidney toxicity. The PBDE
structures are similar to the thyroid hormones and they can
interrupt your thyroid hormones and might be affecting the thyroid
and may be a potential risk factor for thyroid cancer. So, we
fortunately got this grant from the American Cancer Society to look
at the radiation exposure, especially the diagnostic x-ray exposure
in a DNA repair capacity in relation to the thyroid cancer.
We hope to use this population in the future to get more funding to
test the PBDE hypothesis.
Foss
Can you talk a little bit about how you are going to figure out how
much radiation exposure folks have, for instance a lot of people
get dental x-rays, is that going to count?
Zhang
Yes. We have the questionnaire. We are collecting their
lifetime exposures about the diagnostic x-ray including the dental
x-ray exposure.
Foss
And what about the chemical that you are talking about, will you be
measuring levels of that chemical in the blood?
Zhang
Yes, we are also collecting the blood samples from thyroid cancer
cases in the general population controls. We will measure all
those PBDEs. We are collaborating with the CDC Lab to do this
measurement.
Foss
Are you also looking at the DNA fingerprint of these
patients? Are you looking to see if there are specific SNPs
that would predispose them to the development of this kind of
cancer?
Zhang
Yes, that's what we plan to do and we plan to do the first pathway
to go to see the DNA repair pathway because the radiation mainly
affects your DNA repair capacity and can cause a double strand
break, so we first look at the DNA repair pathway fingerprint.
Foss
Can you talk about areas like say Chernobyl, or other areas where
people have been exposed to a lot of radiation. Is there an
increased incidence of thyroid cancer compared to other cancers in
those areas?
Zhang
Yes, that's true. That's how people figured out radiation is
a major environmental risk factor for thyroid cancer. After
the Chernobyl accident, one of the first cancers to increase from
that
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population was thyroid cancer. That's one of the major
things that people found as to why radiation is the major cause for
thyroid cancer.
Foss
Yawei, you talked about collaborations around the world in your
epidemiology studies. Is there a network of academic
institutions around the world, or are there international groups
that are focused on studying the epidemiology of these cancers?
Zhang
Yes, in almost every single country they have their
universities. They have certain people to do the epidemiology
and cancer epidemiology and also almost every single country has
their cancer center, their institutions, and a lot of people doing
the cancer epidemiology. We get to know each other through
the peer review publication and also through all the meetings like
the AACR meeting, American Association for Cancer Research, and
certain other meetings. So we get to know each other and we
are collaborating.
Foss
Can you leave us with one thought, which is where do you think the
future is for cancer epidemiology? Is this going to be something
that's going to be a part of all of our lives in terms of looking
at our fingerprints and predicting what's going to happen to us in
future?
Zhang
Yeah, I would love to see that and I think so. For every single
disease, there is not purely genetic and purely environmental, it
must be gene environmental interaction. You have a certain
genetic susceptibility and you also encounter certain environmental
carcinogens, so that's kind of the way we should go.
Foss
This has been a very thought provoking discussion and I would like
to thank you for being my guest tonight. You have been
listening to Yale Cancer Center Answers and I would like to thank
Yawei for coming. Yawei is the Associate Professor of
Epidemiology and Public Health at Yale Cancer Center.
If you have any questions or would like to share your comments, you can go to yalecancercenter.org, where you can also subscribe to our podcast and find written transcripts of past programs. I am Bruce Barber and you are listening to the WNPR Health Forum from Connecticut Public Radio.