Advancing Urologic Cancer Treatment with Cutting-Edge Technology
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- 00:06Welcome to Yale Cancer Answers
- 00:08with the director of the
- 00:09Yale Cancer Center, Doctor Eric
- 00:11Winer.
- 00:12Yale Cancer Answers features conversations
- 00:15with oncologists
- 00:16and specialists who are on
- 00:17the forefront of the battle
- 00:18to fight cancer.
- 00:20This week, it's a conversation
- 00:21about the care of patients
- 00:23with urologic cancers with doctor
- 00:25Preston Sprenkle.
- 00:26Doctor Sprenkle is an associate
- 00:28professor of urology at the
- 00:29Yale School of Medicine.
- 00:31Here's doctor Winer.
- 00:35Why don't we start off
- 00:37just hearing a little bit
- 00:39about you
- 00:41and how you got interested
- 00:42in urologic cancers.
- 00:45So I trained in urology
- 00:48residency in New York and
- 00:51was really impressed with the
- 00:53complexity
- 00:54of urologic
- 00:56cancers and
- 00:58the challenges that we face
- 01:00when treating them.
- 01:02I think it was
- 01:04a lot of basic science,
- 01:06the integration of science
- 01:07in clinical medicine,
- 01:09and,
- 01:11really
- 01:13how we were able to
- 01:14try to integrate all these
- 01:17complex technical issues with
- 01:20patient care and
- 01:21helping patients
- 01:23and especially men with prostate
- 01:25cancer
- 01:26understand their diagnosis and make
- 01:28good treatment decisions.
- 01:30Since being at Yale,
- 01:32this has grown from starting
- 01:34an MRI
- 01:36ultrasound fusion prostate biopsy program
- 01:38to really be more accurate
- 01:40in the way that we
- 01:40diagnose prostate cancer,
- 01:42limit
- 01:43the number of men who
- 01:45have to have a prostate
- 01:46biopsy by using that
- 01:48imaging.
- 01:49And now
- 01:51we've transitioned that
- 01:53into
- 01:54more precise treatments with prostate
- 01:56cancer ablation therapies.
- 01:58And we'll drill down
- 01:59on some of those.
- 02:02As a breast cancer doctor,
- 02:03I often think of prostate
- 02:05cancer as
- 02:08the men's equivalent
- 02:09of postmenopausal
- 02:11breast cancer.
- 02:12And I think it is
- 02:14in a number of ways,
- 02:15and one of those ways
- 02:17is that prostate cancer isn't
- 02:18just one disease.
- 02:20It's really a range of
- 02:22different diseases that
- 02:24can vary from those that are
- 02:27remarkably
- 02:28slow growing
- 02:30to those that are more
- 02:31aggressive.
- 02:32Can you just
- 02:33talk a little bit about,
- 02:35first, maybe the very slow
- 02:37growing prostate cancers and
- 02:40what does and doesn't have
- 02:41to be done in terms
- 02:42of treatment for some men?
- 02:44Yeah. Thank you for
- 02:45that question.
- 02:47There's a tremendous
- 02:50almost rainbow
- 02:51of ways that we
- 02:53interpret and manage prostate cancers,
- 02:56a tremendous breadth. So low
- 02:58grade prostate cancer, there is
- 03:00an ongoing international discussion about
- 03:03whether or not we should
- 03:04be calling it prostate cancer
- 03:05because it seems to have
- 03:07such a low
- 03:10likelihood of ever causing a
- 03:12man's death that we follow
- 03:14those routinely with something called
- 03:16active surveillance.
- 03:18It does not require treatment.
- 03:21We monitor it closely so
- 03:22that we can pick up
- 03:23early if
- 03:25it is one of those
- 03:26very rare cases that
- 03:27has the potential or will
- 03:29behave more aggressively in the
- 03:30future.
- 03:32So that used to
- 03:33be about half or more
- 03:35than half of the prostate
- 03:36cancers that we would diagnose
- 03:38with now usage of better
- 03:40screening techniques, including this MRI
- 03:42imaging for the prostate.
- 03:45At most academic centers, it's
- 03:47now closer to about a
- 03:48third. So we've been able
- 03:49to avoid doing prostate biopsies
- 03:52and diagnosing
- 03:53these low grade cancers in
- 03:54about a quarter of the
- 03:55men that we used
- 03:56to diagnose it in.
- 03:58And I'm sure that
- 04:00even when someone's told that
- 04:01they have
- 04:03low grade prostate cancer and
- 04:04it's unlikely to cause their
- 04:06death, it still causes some
- 04:08amount of distress.
- 04:10Definitely.
- 04:11And that's one of
- 04:13the largest challenges that we
- 04:14have is how to
- 04:17reassure these men
- 04:18who have all of a
- 04:19sudden gotten this cancer diagnosis
- 04:21that this is not something
- 04:23that is dangerous to them
- 04:25and that in many cases,
- 04:28the management or a treatment
- 04:30for this prostate cancer
- 04:32is probably worse than the
- 04:34disease itself. And that is
- 04:35one of the major challenges
- 04:36that we have in
- 04:37managing
- 04:39prostate cancer.
- 04:40Yeah. Well, here again is
- 04:41the parallel with breast
- 04:43cancer where
- 04:46we recognize that for some
- 04:47patients, we need new and
- 04:49better therapies, and there are
- 04:50still people who die of
- 04:52breast cancer in much the
- 04:53same way there are people
- 04:55who die from prostate cancer.
- 04:57But then there's a large
- 04:58population where we need to
- 05:00figure out
- 05:01how we can do less
- 05:03and achieve the same outcomes.
- 05:05So when you're identifying
- 05:07these patients who have
- 05:10low grade prostate cancer, you
- 05:12still use
- 05:14a Gleason score?
- 05:16And you wanna talk about
- 05:17that a little bit?
- 05:18We do. So the Gleason
- 05:21scoring system has evolved somewhat.
- 05:24We're now using
- 05:25a Gleason grade grouping
- 05:27system because
- 05:29the historical Gleason score sort
- 05:31of went from two to
- 05:32ten, but
- 05:34we only considered things of
- 05:36a six or higher to
- 05:37be cancer.
- 05:38But intuitively, a six out
- 05:40of ten seems bad. And
- 05:41so even though that's the
- 05:43lowest
- 05:44grade.
- 05:47So a concerted effort by
- 05:49the International Society of Urologic
- 05:50Pathology,
- 05:51they regraded it or rebranded
- 05:53it as a grade group
- 05:54one through five. So now
- 05:55we're on a five point
- 05:56scale. A one out of
- 05:58five is much more intuitively
- 05:59kind of low risk and
- 06:00low
- 06:01grade. But there still is,
- 06:03and there is actually an
- 06:04effort
- 06:06underway to reevaluate
- 06:08Gleason, especially now that we
- 06:09have a lot more genomic
- 06:11information about prostate cancer.
- 06:13There are efforts underway
- 06:15to reevaluate that.
- 06:17And is a Gleason six
- 06:18the equivalent now of a one?
- 06:20That is correct. Yep.
- 06:21So grade group one is
- 06:22a Gleason six. Grade group
- 06:24two is a Gleason three
- 06:26plus four equals seven. And
- 06:27that was the other confusing
- 06:28thing is you had a
- 06:29three plus four equals seven
- 06:30and a four plus three
- 06:31equals seven. Those are now
- 06:32grades one, two, and three.
- 06:34So it's a little bit
- 06:35more clear
- 06:37for us to be able
- 06:38to communicate.
- 06:44Gleason six, or the new one, is
- 06:48where you're very often
- 06:50talking about active surveillance?
- 06:53Correct.
- 06:54All of the guidelines internationally
- 06:56at this point for grade
- 06:57group one or Gleason six
- 06:59recommend active surveillance. They recommend
- 07:01against treatment. And that is
- 07:03because
- 07:04the data suggests a greater
- 07:06than ninety nine percent fifteen
- 07:08year survival without any intervention
- 07:11for men with the
- 07:13grade group one prostate cancer.
- 07:15So some of us are
- 07:17very
- 07:18adamant about not treating anyone
- 07:20with Gleason six or grade
- 07:21group one disease.
- 07:23And as we've gained more
- 07:24experience, we've actually expanded that
- 07:25to a large percentage of
- 07:26men with grade group two
- 07:28prostate cancer
- 07:29where we monitor them closely
- 07:31but do not require initial
- 07:32treatment.
- 07:33And, of course, the reason
- 07:35that you wanna try to
- 07:36avoid treatment is there are
- 07:38consequences.
- 07:39And maybe this is a
- 07:40good time for you to
- 07:41just touch on
- 07:43some of the problems that
- 07:45arise after either
- 07:47surgery
- 07:47or radiation for prostate cancer.
- 07:52You're
- 07:52absolutely right. There are kind
- 07:53of two main reasons not
- 07:55to treat men with these
- 07:56low and intermediate risk cancers.
- 07:57One is we know that
- 07:58it's not dangerous as we
- 08:00are talking about. There now
- 08:01are randomized clinical trials that
- 08:03show really minimal or no
- 08:05survival benefit to treating men
- 08:06with low and intermediate risk
- 08:08prostate cancer with fifteen and
- 08:10even twenty years of follow-up.
- 08:11In addition to the survival
- 08:13safety,
- 08:14any treatments that we perform
- 08:16have significant or can have
- 08:19significant quality of life impact.
- 08:21So typically because of the
- 08:22location of the prostate being
- 08:24in the middle of the
- 08:25pelvis, it's near the rectum,
- 08:27it's near the bladder. The
- 08:28urethra passes through the prostate.
- 08:31So this is gonna impact
- 08:32potentially a man's urinary function,
- 08:34so their ability to hold
- 08:35their urine, their sexual function,
- 08:37their ability to get an
- 08:38erection or ejaculate,
- 08:40and also bowel function potentially
- 08:42in like diarrhea or other
- 08:44problems.
- 08:46Surgery is most commonly associated
- 08:48with urinary incontinence.
- 08:50Radiation therapy
- 08:52has significant concern for sort
- 08:54of bowel dysfunction or
- 08:57bowel function disruption.
- 08:59And in terms of erectile
- 09:02dysfunction, that's with both surgery
- 09:04and radiation or
- 09:06more surgery?
- 09:09We're starting to get into
- 09:10the details, which is great,
- 09:11but it in large
- 09:12part depends on
- 09:13where the cancer is located.
- 09:15So surgery
- 09:16can be done where we
- 09:17try to preserve the nerves
- 09:18that are related to sexual
- 09:20function,
- 09:21but that depends largely on
- 09:22if the cancer is near
- 09:23those nerves. A primary goal
- 09:26of treatment is to get
- 09:27the cancer out.
- 09:28And this is so called nerve sparing
- 09:30prostatectomy?
- 09:31Exactly. So with a
- 09:33nerve sparing prostatectomy,
- 09:36that is pretty equivalent in
- 09:38terms of impact on sexual
- 09:39function to radiation when we
- 09:41look out to five years
- 09:42and beyond. Before five years,
- 09:44there's less impact with radiation,
- 09:46but probably more impact with
- 09:47surgery.
- 09:48The issue is if you
- 09:49start to have cancer where
- 09:50we have to remove the
- 09:51nerve bundles with surgery,
- 09:53that has a much greater
- 09:54negative impact on erectile function.
- 09:56And that in part
- 09:58is why there's a
- 09:59growing interest in therapies like
- 10:01ablation therapies for prostate cancer,
- 10:04where now that we
- 10:05have this great imaging and
- 10:07ability to do targeted biopsy
- 10:09of the prostate, we can
- 10:10actually localize the cancers within
- 10:11the prostate,
- 10:13and we can now, with
- 10:14some of these ablation technologies,
- 10:16localize and treat the area
- 10:18with the prostate cancer
- 10:19and leave the rest of
- 10:20the prostate alone.
- 10:21Is that, on average, a much
- 10:22lower rate of sexual dysfunction,
- 10:25much lower rate of urinary
- 10:27incontinence and bowel dysfunction
- 10:29compared to surgery and radiation?
- 10:31So this now opens up
- 10:33the area of better tools
- 10:36we have for both diagnosing
- 10:38and treating.
- 10:41And what's changed in terms of
- 10:43diagnosis?
- 10:44The biggest
- 10:46change was
- 10:47the more widespread adoption of
- 10:50prostate MRI. So around two
- 10:52thousand ten, two thousand twelve,
- 10:54we began to really see
- 10:56an uptick
- 10:57globally in the utilization of
- 10:59prostate MRI.
- 11:00At that point, it was
- 11:01largely done in very specialized
- 11:03centers. We are very fortunate
- 11:04at Yale to have very
- 11:06experienced
- 11:07radiologists who are focused on
- 11:08prostate MRI.
- 11:09It is now more widely
- 11:11accepted and is
- 11:13done broadly.
- 11:14There still is dramatic variation
- 11:17in the quality of prostate
- 11:18MRI that's completed, but that
- 11:19has really shifted the playing
- 11:20field for us over the
- 11:22last decade because it allows
- 11:23us, like you mentioned earlier,
- 11:24to be able to see
- 11:25inside the prostate,
- 11:27see where lesions are, and
- 11:28more accurately diagnose
- 11:31the cancer. So by putting
- 11:32needles into the lesion, we're
- 11:34much more accurate with our
- 11:36biopsies,
- 11:37and we know
- 11:38what is there with more
- 11:39confidence.
- 11:40And does MRI and I
- 11:42think you were mentioning this
- 11:43before, does MRI help you
- 11:45decide not to do biopsies
- 11:47at times?
- 11:48It does. Correct. So the
- 11:50the major screening tool remains
- 11:53a PSA blood test. So
- 11:54that is our primary screening
- 11:56tool
- 11:56that is recommended but
- 11:58the guidelines vary. It's a
- 12:00shared decision making, so deciding
- 12:02whether or not a man
- 12:03wants to be screened.
- 12:04But in general, that conversation
- 12:06should happen starting around age
- 12:08fifty to fifty five,
- 12:10and that usually is a
- 12:11PSA blood test. For people
- 12:13with a first degree relative,
- 12:14we would
- 12:16suggest considering earlier prostate cancer
- 12:18screening.
- 12:19And in terms of
- 12:22more accurately diagnosing the cancer,
- 12:25these MRIs help that as
- 12:26well so that if you're
- 12:28planning to do a biopsy,
- 12:30you can do it more
- 12:31accurately with the use of
- 12:32MRI.
- 12:34Correct, the MRI allows us to look
- 12:35inside the prostate. We can
- 12:37see where a lesion is.
- 12:38We can then
- 12:39typically, have a 3D
- 12:40modeling where we combine
- 12:42the MRI with our real
- 12:44time ultrasound. It allows us
- 12:45to guide the needles for
- 12:46a more accurate
- 12:48biopsy.
- 12:49And finally, before we take
- 12:50just a a brief break,
- 12:53I mentioned earlier that there
- 12:55are more than two hundred
- 12:56and fifty thousand cases,
- 12:57but,
- 12:59many of those are, of
- 13:00course,
- 13:01cases where
- 13:02a man's life is not
- 13:04threatened.
- 13:06How many cases of prostate
- 13:08cancer are there where you're
- 13:09more worried
- 13:11about
- 13:12the potential impact on survival?
- 13:15For that matter, how many
- 13:16deaths a year?
- 13:18Yes. So that is
- 13:19a very good question. I
- 13:20mean, I don't know the
- 13:22exact number of deaths off
- 13:23the top of my head.
- 13:24It is pretty significant, though.
- 13:25The last number I recall
- 13:26was around probably twenty seven
- 13:28thousand.
- 13:30It is a percentage of
- 13:31of the men who were
- 13:32diagnosed.
- 13:33It's really those with metastatic
- 13:35prostate cancer that
- 13:37we really worry about.
- 13:38And that's why screening and
- 13:40early detection is really, really
- 13:42important. Finding this cancer before
- 13:44its metastatic
- 13:45allows us to intervene.
- 13:48And in
- 13:50many, many, of those
- 13:51men, we can prevent the
- 13:52development of metastatic disease. So,
- 13:54again, a disease where sometimes
- 13:57it's just very slow growing
- 13:59and sometimes
- 14:00more aggressive and still
- 14:02a disease that
- 14:04threatens quite a number of
- 14:05people's lives. Well, we're gonna
- 14:07take just a brief
- 14:08break and we'll be back
- 14:10and continue our discussion about
- 14:12prostate cancer with doctor Preston
- 14:14Sprenkle.
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- 15:32Good evening again. This is
- 15:34Eric Winer with Yale Cancer
- 15:35Answers. I'm joined tonight by
- 15:37doctor Preston Sprenkle, a urologic
- 15:40oncologist
- 15:42and an associate professor in
- 15:43urology here at Yale School
- 15:45of Medicine.
- 15:47We've been talking about prostate
- 15:48cancer. We're gonna move on
- 15:49and talk a little bit
- 15:50about testicular cancer in just
- 15:52a few minutes.
- 15:53But, before we leave the
- 15:55area of prostate cancer, I
- 15:57wanna talk about
- 15:58this
- 16:00new approach,
- 16:02that involves focal therapy
- 16:04or doing something less than
- 16:06treating the entire prostate,
- 16:09when a man has cancer.
- 16:11And,
- 16:12maybe you can just touch
- 16:13on this and how long
- 16:14it's been going on and
- 16:17how focal therapy is done.
- 16:20Sure. Thank you.
- 16:21So
- 16:22focal therapy is an
- 16:25exciting new intervention. It's actually
- 16:27not that new. There have
- 16:28been ablation
- 16:30therapies
- 16:31for prostate cancer for decades.
- 16:33So one of the early
- 16:34ones was cryoablation
- 16:35or using cold energy to
- 16:38destroy prostate tissue.
- 16:40Initially,
- 16:41we were doing whole prostate
- 16:43treatments with this approach. And
- 16:45at that time, it did
- 16:46have less of the impact on
- 16:50urinary continents than prostatectomy, and
- 16:52so it was used not
- 16:54infrequently.
- 16:55As we gained more information
- 16:58using MRI to
- 16:59be able to localize prostate
- 17:01cancer within the prostate,
- 17:03the idea of focal therapy
- 17:05or treating just part of
- 17:06the prostate where the cancer
- 17:07is located
- 17:11became of more interest. And
- 17:12this is something you mentioned in
- 17:14breast cancer. You do lumpectomy.
- 17:15In kidney cancer, we remove
- 17:17just the tumor. We don't
- 17:18remove the whole organ necessarily,
- 17:20anymore now that we
- 17:22can localize where the cancer
- 17:24is in
- 17:25the gland or in the organ.
- 17:28So focal therapy for prostate
- 17:29cancer has evolved. I've personally
- 17:31been doing that for almost
- 17:32ten years, with a combination
- 17:34of cryoablation
- 17:35and irreversible
- 17:37electroporation.
- 17:37These are both needle based
- 17:39technologies
- 17:40where
- 17:41we can see the prostate
- 17:43with the MRI. We localize
- 17:45it with a targeted biopsy.
- 17:46We localize the cancer within
- 17:48the prostate,
- 17:49and then we can use
- 17:50those images and information to
- 17:51place needles into the prostate
- 17:53in the area where the
- 17:54cancer is located and really
- 17:56destroy that prostate tissue.
- 17:58By leaving the urethra,
- 18:00leaving the other side of
- 18:02the prostate alone,
- 18:03even potentially leaving both nerve
- 18:06bundles alone, we see much
- 18:08better preservation of quality of
- 18:10life in terms of sexual
- 18:11function, urinary function.
- 18:13Now
- 18:13while I've been doing these
- 18:15technologies for ten years, they
- 18:16are not widely accepted or
- 18:18widely done around the country.
- 18:20The technologies are still considered
- 18:22investigational in many areas, and
- 18:25so we do this as
- 18:26part of an IRB approved
- 18:28research registry. We're still tracking
- 18:31the outcomes.
- 18:32We're making sure that it
- 18:33is safe. We're making sure
- 18:34that the cancer control
- 18:36is adequate and appropriate.
- 18:38So I think it is
- 18:39very exciting, but it's
- 18:40not something that I think
- 18:42at this point, is appropriate
- 18:44for just anyone to be doing.
- 18:45And reading the tea
- 18:47leaves, do you think that
- 18:49this is something that will be
- 18:52done more widely in another
- 18:53five to ten years?
- 18:55I believe it will. We
- 18:56just had our
- 18:58International American Urological
- 18:59Association meeting.
- 19:01It was presented as one
- 19:03of the plenary
- 19:04lectures, and there is definitely
- 19:06growing interest.
- 19:08Those of us who've been
- 19:09doing it for a while
- 19:10do think it is approaching
- 19:11sort of what we call
- 19:12primetime.
- 19:13It is almost ready for
- 19:15wider
- 19:16distribution and dissemination
- 19:17as the quality controls
- 19:20are being better put into
- 19:21place.
- 19:22But just
- 19:25an educated guess, this is
- 19:27not something that is for
- 19:28a patient who has
- 19:30more locally advanced prostate cancer
- 19:32or
- 19:33maybe somebody who has a
- 19:35more aggressive subtype of prostate
- 19:37cancer?
- 19:38You're absolutely right. I mean,
- 19:39at this point,
- 19:42this is not for everyone.
- 19:43So an ablation therapy is
- 19:44not for when there are
- 19:45a lot of anatomic considerations
- 19:47in addition to cancer aggressiveness
- 19:49considerations.
- 19:50We currently only recommend this
- 19:52really for men with intermediate
- 19:54risk prostate cancer. There is
- 19:55not a role at this
- 19:57time for
- 19:58treating high risk disease, although
- 20:00there are some clinical trials
- 20:03evolving in those areas.
- 20:05So even as part of
- 20:06the research,
- 20:07one has to be quite
- 20:08selective.
- 20:09That is correct.
- 20:11Good.
- 20:12And then finally,
- 20:15there are still many men
- 20:16who need to have their
- 20:17prostate removed when diagnosed with
- 20:20prostate cancer.
- 20:22And sometimes an alternative is
- 20:24radiation. How do you make
- 20:25those decisions?
- 20:27So radiation and surgery very
- 20:29often are considered
- 20:31to have pretty equivalent cancer
- 20:33control.
- 20:34So it largely is a
- 20:35very personal decision of the
- 20:37patient
- 20:38and comparing the quality of
- 20:39life impact of the different
- 20:42treatment approaches.
- 20:44It's a long discussion,
- 20:46but in brief, we sort
- 20:47of compare the impact on
- 20:49urinary function, impact on sexual
- 20:50function, the duration of treatment,
- 20:52the recovery from treatment,
- 20:55what are some of the
- 20:55long term consequences that you
- 20:57can expect from the treatment.
- 20:58But it often is
- 20:59focused on quality of life
- 21:00factors,
- 21:01since the cancer control is
- 21:03relatively similar.
- 21:06Well, we're gonna move
- 21:08on and talk a little
- 21:09bit about testicular cancer.
- 21:12Testicular cancer,
- 21:14unlike prostate cancer, which predominantly
- 21:17is a disease in
- 21:20middle aged or older men,
- 21:21though it can occasionally happen
- 21:23in people in their forties
- 21:24and younger, but quite rarely.
- 21:27Testicular cancer is quite different.
- 21:30There
- 21:31are under ten thousand cases
- 21:33a year in the US,
- 21:35and the average age is
- 21:36thirty three.
- 21:37So this is a cancer
- 21:39of young men.
- 21:41And,
- 21:42maybe you can just
- 21:44talk a little bit about
- 21:47what often brings someone in
- 21:49with a new diagnosis of
- 21:51testicular cancer.
- 21:52In general, there isn't a
- 21:54lot of screening that goes on.
- 21:56Correct. So there
- 21:58is not a
- 22:00systematic screening that is done
- 22:02by a health care provider
- 22:03typically, although
- 22:05and that's largely because testicular
- 22:07cancers,
- 22:08when they do occur,
- 22:09tend to be very
- 22:11fast growing and present rather
- 22:13quickly.
- 22:14There is screening that can
- 22:16be done. So young men
- 22:17starting in their late teens
- 22:19should do testicular
- 22:20self exams probably on a
- 22:22monthly basis.
- 22:24And that is honestly how
- 22:26men present. So it is
- 22:27a new mass that they
- 22:29feel in the testicle or
- 22:31in their scrotum.
- 22:32That is the most common
- 22:34presentation.
- 22:36And it can be picked
- 22:37up early if someone is
- 22:38doing a routine testicular self
- 22:40exam. But I'm gonna guess
- 22:42that most young men don't
- 22:44do that routinely and that
- 22:46when they find this, it's
- 22:47just
- 22:48almost an accident.
- 22:51That is often the case.
- 22:53Yes. And that's why we
- 22:54attempt to
- 22:57engage young men and pediatricians
- 22:59to educate young men. And
- 23:01there is
- 23:02outreach on college campuses to
- 23:04sort of tell guys
- 23:06or instruct guys on how
- 23:07to do a testicular self
- 23:09exam. But you're correct. Most
- 23:10often it is
- 23:12something that it's hard to
- 23:13miss and you note a
- 23:15change in the testicle or on it.
- 23:19And there are
- 23:21a few different types of
- 23:22prostate cancer,
- 23:24some of which are
- 23:26potentially more aggressive than others,
- 23:29typically
- 23:30divided as seminomas and non
- 23:33seminomonas cancers.
- 23:36Correct. Yeah. So testicular cancer
- 23:38has two large subgroups and
- 23:39there are other small subgroups.
- 23:42Seminoma
- 23:45is the most prevalent or
- 23:47most common type of testicular
- 23:48cancer, and then we cluster
- 23:50a bunch of the others,
- 23:52embryonal,
- 23:54and others into yolk sac
- 23:56into nonseminoma.
- 23:58And that's because the prognosis
- 23:59with seminoma is quite good.
- 24:01The way that we treat
- 24:02them are a little bit
- 24:03different, but pure seminoma
- 24:05is often cured just by
- 24:07removal of the tumor alone.
- 24:09Whereas non seminoma can
- 24:12also often be cured by
- 24:13that alone, but has a
- 24:14slightly higher rate of
- 24:15recurrence and needing additional treatment.
- 24:19Testicular cancer, in truth, was
- 24:21the
- 24:22original
- 24:23huge success in medical oncology.
- 24:26It's the one tumor type,
- 24:28albeit rare,
- 24:30that
- 24:31early studies with chemotherapy
- 24:33demonstrated
- 24:34that you could dramatically
- 24:36increase the cure rate
- 24:38with the use of chemotherapy
- 24:40in these
- 24:42germ cell tumors, the non
- 24:44seminomonas cancers.
- 24:46Correct. Yes.
- 24:48Chemotherapy
- 24:49use, especially in non seminoma,
- 24:51because initially we use radiation
- 24:53therapy for seminoma. That has
- 24:56changed now. We now will
- 24:57often use chemotherapy for seminoma
- 24:59as well.
- 25:01But, yes, it absolutely was
- 25:02one of our great success
- 25:05stories in in oncology, especially
- 25:07because patients are young,
- 25:09and we're able to have
- 25:10very, very high treatment success
- 25:13rates. I think the caveat
- 25:15to that, I mean, it's
- 25:16excellent that we're able to,
- 25:18you know, save
- 25:19many people and keep them
- 25:20alive.
- 25:22But
- 25:23I still need to make
- 25:23a plug for early detection
- 25:25because when we find these ealry
- 25:28and we can treat them
- 25:29with surgery alone, we don't
- 25:31have to give chemotherapy.
- 25:32And the longer that we
- 25:33wait, the worse the cancer
- 25:35is, the more chemotherapy is
- 25:36needed and the more chemotherapy,
- 25:38again, the more side effects.
- 25:40And especially in young men
- 25:42who have a long time
- 25:43to live after treatment,
- 25:44we do unfortunately see that
- 25:46secondary cancers and other problems
- 25:48can develop when we have
- 25:49to give more chemotherapy. So,
- 25:52still is very important to
- 25:53kind of if you hear
- 25:55this, if you're a young
- 25:56man, you know, testicular self
- 25:58exam is something you could
- 25:59do in the shower once
- 25:59a month. It's not difficult.
- 26:01Doesn't take much time.
- 26:03And, it can definitely
- 26:06you know, if God
- 26:07forbid, something happened,
- 26:09by detecting it
- 26:10early, it can help prevent
- 26:12a lot of
- 26:13difficulty down the road. I
- 26:15think it's a really important
- 26:16message because the chemotherapy,
- 26:19while
- 26:19relatively
- 26:20brief, meaning a few months,
- 26:24is not for the faint
- 26:25of heart.
- 26:26And it's tough chemotherapy
- 26:28and no one wants to
- 26:30get it if they can
- 26:31manage to avoid it.
- 26:33And I think, you know,
- 26:34the other message is
- 26:36because
- 26:37young people tend to sometimes
- 26:39put things off is if
- 26:40someone finds something, they need
- 26:42to take action
- 26:44and see their doctor
- 26:46and not just wait until
- 26:48it gets bigger and bigger.
- 26:50Correct. And it's very easy
- 26:51for us to do an
- 26:52evaluation. So it's a quick
- 26:53physical exam to see if
- 26:54we feel something in the
- 26:55testicle and then an ultrasound.
- 26:57So it's a really noninvasive
- 26:59initial diagnostic evaluation.
- 27:02Yes.
- 27:02Well, that's important.
- 27:05And what are some of
- 27:06the things that
- 27:08can masquerade as testicular cancer?
- 27:10So what other kinds of
- 27:12lumps arise in the testis?
- 27:14There can be a lot
- 27:15of lumps and bumps in
- 27:16the testis. So, you know,
- 27:17very commonly there can be
- 27:18a cyst, in the epididymis,
- 27:20which is something that sits
- 27:22right behind the testicle. You
- 27:23can even have a cyst
- 27:24in the testicle,
- 27:27varicocele
- 27:28sort of this bag of
- 27:29worms feeling that people describe
- 27:31as just a vein that's
- 27:32in the scrotum.
- 27:34So there are other things
- 27:35that can definitely masquerade as
- 27:37a testicular cancer,
- 27:39but, again, all of those
- 27:40can pretty easily be differentiated
- 27:42with a scrotal ultrasound. So
- 27:44if you feel something that's
- 27:45abnormal,
- 27:46just get it checked out.
- 27:48And this is a situation
- 27:49where you're not doing things
- 27:51like focal ablative therapy. You're
- 27:54doing surgery.
- 27:55If someone has testicular cancer,
- 27:57what does the surgery
- 27:59involve?
- 28:01So
- 28:02the surgery for testicular cancer
- 28:04is often
- 28:06removal
- 28:06of the involved testicle. So
- 28:08a surgical removal of the
- 28:09involved testicle.
- 28:12Men have two
- 28:14testicles typically,
- 28:16and
- 28:16so removing one does not
- 28:18appear to change the
- 28:21fertility risk or change
- 28:23testosterone
- 28:24levels.
- 28:25So
- 28:26if there is someone who
- 28:27has only one testicle, we
- 28:28will consider
- 28:29doing a partial
- 28:31orchiectomy, removing just the tumor,
- 28:33but that's a very rare
- 28:34occurrence.
- 28:35Doctor Preston Sprenkle is an
- 28:37associate professor of urology at
- 28:39the Yale School of Medicine.
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