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Endotheliopathy in COVID-19- associated Coagulopathy

May 28, 2020

Endotheliopathy in COVID-19- associated Coagulopathy

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  • 00:00Uhm, I know a lot of you guys already,
  • 00:03but I'm one of the clinical
  • 00:05hematologist here at the Cancer Center,
  • 00:07and for the last nine years my main
  • 00:09interest have been medical education
  • 00:10and thrombosis or blood clotting.
  • 00:12And then in mid March of this year
  • 00:15Is everybody knows kovid hit and so
  • 00:17early on when the first kovid patient
  • 00:19arrived at Yale New Haven Hospital.
  • 00:21A few of us in the hematology
  • 00:23section were asked to join a multi
  • 00:25disciplinary effort designed to try
  • 00:27to understand in combat the disease,
  • 00:29an one of the more interesting and kind of.
  • 00:32Unexpected features of COVID-19
  • 00:33infection was that there's actually
  • 00:35a huge component of blood clotting,
  • 00:37and this is something that's term
  • 00:39COVID-19 associated Coagulopathy.
  • 00:40So we became interested in the hematology
  • 00:43section and trying to not just manage
  • 00:45this but also understand this,
  • 00:47and so that's what I'm going to be
  • 00:50talking with you all about today.
  • 00:53So again,
  • 00:54this this whole feature of blood
  • 00:55clotting in Kobe 19 infection is
  • 00:58something that's called COVID-19
  • 00:59associated Coagulopathy.
  • 01:00Its abbreviated CAC and at the laboratory
  • 01:03level it's defined by 4 basic things.
  • 01:05So one is that these patients
  • 01:07have an elevated D dimer.
  • 01:09That's often very, very high.
  • 01:10The second is that they have
  • 01:13a high fibrinogen level.
  • 01:14Again, that's often very high.
  • 01:16The third is that many of these patients
  • 01:18have a normal prothrombin time,
  • 01:20or very slightly elevated prothrombin time,
  • 01:22and the 4th.
  • 01:23Is that most of them have normal
  • 01:26platelet counts,
  • 01:27although some of them do have a
  • 01:29slightly reduced platelet count.
  • 01:31And again, as I mentioned before,
  • 01:33clinically the main feature
  • 01:35associated with code 19 associated
  • 01:36Coagulopathy is thrombosis.
  • 01:38So these patients have a very high
  • 01:40risk of developing blood clots,
  • 01:42predominantly venous thromboembolism or VTE,
  • 01:44and in particular pulmonary embolism.
  • 01:46There are some single institution
  • 01:48studies that suggest that up to 37
  • 01:51to even 40% of COVID-19 patients
  • 01:52in an intensive care unit.
  • 01:54Who are ready on prophylactic
  • 01:56anticoagulation will develop a pulmonary
  • 01:59embolism or a deep vein thrombosis.
  • 02:01And In addition Artur thrombosis an
  • 02:04then microvascular thrombosis on
  • 02:06autopsies has also been described.
  • 02:08So because of this very high rate
  • 02:10of thrombosis are hospital system,
  • 02:12our institution was actually one
  • 02:14of the first in the country to
  • 02:16develop what we call an escalated
  • 02:19intensity anticoagulation regiment.
  • 02:20So what I mean by this is that as
  • 02:23most of you who are clinicians know,
  • 02:26whenever patients in general get
  • 02:27admitted to the hospital already there,
  • 02:30blood clotting risk goes up and
  • 02:32so most patients admitted to a
  • 02:34hospital center including Smilow
  • 02:35would be on what we call a low dose
  • 02:39of prophylactic anticoagulation.
  • 02:40Typically,
  • 02:40enoxaparin had a dose of 40
  • 02:42milligrams once a day.
  • 02:43But in kovid patients,
  • 02:45because of this increase risk of
  • 02:47Trumbo Sis we adopted this escalated
  • 02:50intensity anticoagulation regiment
  • 02:51so that patients with Cove in
  • 02:53infection who had a D dimer level
  • 02:55that was above a certain cut off
  • 02:57which we ended up choosing us 5
  • 03:00milligram per liter would
  • 03:01automatically get a higher
  • 03:03dose of anticoagulation.
  • 03:04We would call this intermediate
  • 03:06enoxaparin typically,
  • 03:07which is at a dose of 0.5 milligrams
  • 03:10per kilogram twice a day and then
  • 03:12again because of this super high.
  • 03:14Risk of thrombosis in any covert
  • 03:16patient in whom there is a suspicion for
  • 03:19venous thrombotic event or confirmed
  • 03:21Venus Don Bolic event we would
  • 03:23recommend full dose anticoagulation
  • 03:24typically again with enoxaparin
  • 03:26editors of 1 milligram per kilogram
  • 03:28twice daily so as I mentioned we
  • 03:30were one of the first hospital
  • 03:32centers in the country to develop.
  • 03:35One of these escalated escalated
  • 03:37anticoagulation dosing guidelines
  • 03:38and many other hospitals if not most
  • 03:40around the country have followed suit.
  • 03:42One of the challenges that
  • 03:44we've all had his clinicians.
  • 03:45Is that even though most of us
  • 03:47in the country are doing these
  • 03:49escalated anticoagulation regiments,
  • 03:50we don't actually know if they're safe
  • 03:52or if there even affective and so at
  • 03:54yell our group is in the process of
  • 03:56analyzing this now as are many others
  • 03:58and there are some clinical trials
  • 04:00around different institutions in the
  • 04:01country that are looking at this issue.
  • 04:03This question as well.
  • 04:06So one of the early studies that
  • 04:07came out from China on covert
  • 04:09associated Coagulopathy reported that
  • 04:11it was essentially a variation of
  • 04:14disseminated intravascular coagulations,
  • 04:16or DIC,
  • 04:16which as most of you all know as sort
  • 04:19of an end point of a coagulopathic
  • 04:21picture that's characterized by
  • 04:23pretty high rates of thrombosis
  • 04:26and terminal disease.
  • 04:27But DIC itself again as a
  • 04:29lot of other clinicians know,
  • 04:31has a very characteristic laboratory pattern,
  • 04:34and to us it really didn't seem.
  • 04:36White covered associated Coagulopathy
  • 04:38was similar to DIC at all.
  • 04:41So early on when we start first started
  • 04:44seeing kovid patients in our hospital,
  • 04:46we decided to do a couple of studies
  • 04:48to try to understand what the
  • 04:50code associated Coagulopathy is.
  • 04:52And so this first study that we did
  • 04:54was led by one of our star first
  • 04:57Hematology Fellows George Joshua,
  • 04:58and what we did here was to look at
  • 05:01the 1st 200 plus patients with Kobe,
  • 05:04who are admitted to our hospital and
  • 05:06we calculated what's called a dic
  • 05:08score at specified by the International
  • 05:10Society of thrombosis and hemostasis,
  • 05:12or IST age.
  • 05:12And so the way this works is that
  • 05:14the ice TH score essentially looks
  • 05:17at different laboratory features of
  • 05:19patients suspected of having DIC,
  • 05:21and then it spits out a score.
  • 05:23And if your score is in the range
  • 05:25of five and up,
  • 05:26then that's considered overt DIC
  • 05:28in anything less than five is
  • 05:30not consistent with over DSD.
  • 05:31And so in our first couple 100 patients
  • 05:34with Cobain infection admitted to Yale,
  • 05:36New Haven Hospital when we
  • 05:37calculated the IST FDIC scores,
  • 05:39whether we were looking at patients who
  • 05:41survived or patients who did not survive.
  • 05:43As you can see,
  • 05:44almost all patients had a very low
  • 05:47IST HDC score in this entire group.
  • 05:49There was only one patient who
  • 05:50had an IST HD
  • 05:52score of six consistent with over DIC,
  • 05:54but this is a patient who had
  • 05:56helped syndrome after pregnancy,
  • 05:57and we didn't think that this is
  • 06:00related at all to COVID-19 infection.
  • 06:02So based on this,
  • 06:03we really started to feel that
  • 06:05kovid associated Coagulopathy
  • 06:06was not consistent with DIC,
  • 06:09and so the next thing that we did
  • 06:11was to perform a somewhat large
  • 06:13study of a number of ICU and
  • 06:16non ICU patients with Cove it,
  • 06:19in which we measured lots and lots of
  • 06:21different coagulations factors trying
  • 06:23to see what exactly the mechanism of
  • 06:25covert Coagulopathy might be an weather.
  • 06:28Again this was distinct from DC.
  • 06:31So this work here was carried
  • 06:32out by four people who are shown
  • 06:34at the bottom of the page.
  • 06:36Parveen,
  • 06:36but hell is one of the lab
  • 06:38technicians in the Park Street Lab
  • 06:40who did all of the quag elation
  • 06:42testing and then George Joshua
  • 06:43refers to your fellow Alex Pine,
  • 06:45one of our star senior 30 or
  • 06:47Fellows in he monk and then a
  • 06:49super MD PhD student at my slash
  • 06:52also together did this analysis.
  • 06:53So first I'll starting at the
  • 06:55top of the page.
  • 06:57The first thing we measured were D dimer
  • 06:59levels and something else called a thrombin,
  • 07:01antithrombin complex or TI-80.
  • 07:02So as most of you know,
  • 07:04the D dimer level is something that tends
  • 07:07to go up on patients form blood clots,
  • 07:09and it can often be a very
  • 07:11useful measure of blood clotting,
  • 07:13and one of the significant features of
  • 07:15the D dimer is that encoded infection.
  • 07:17the D dimer level seems to be
  • 07:19one of the very very prominent
  • 07:21markers of mortality and overall
  • 07:23course clinical cores and so.
  • 07:25It's a very useful and important
  • 07:27marker in covert patients,
  • 07:28both for thrombosis and also
  • 07:30for their overall disease cores,
  • 07:31and then thrombin,
  • 07:33antithrombin complexes you can
  • 07:34think of those as sort of a fancy
  • 07:37and more specific D dimer that
  • 07:38really looks at whether AD dimer
  • 07:40elevation comes from activation
  • 07:42of the Quag Elation Cascade.
  • 07:44So when we measured D dimer
  • 07:45levels an from an anti thrombin
  • 07:47complex is both in ICU and non ICU
  • 07:50patients with colon infection.
  • 07:52We found that both of these were elevated,
  • 07:54particularly in patients.
  • 07:55We were in the ICU and on a separate
  • 07:58analysis we found that the D dimer
  • 08:00levels and from an anti thrombin
  • 08:02complex is correlated together.
  • 08:03So this let us know that the source
  • 08:06of the high D dimer encoded associated
  • 08:09Coagulopathy is indeed activation
  • 08:10of the Quag Elation Cascade.
  • 08:13The next thing we did was to measure a
  • 08:15number of endogenous anticoagulants,
  • 08:17antithrombin, protein C, and protein S,
  • 08:19as well as a fire analytic enzyme
  • 08:22called A2 Antiplasmin.
  • 08:23So what are all of these?
  • 08:25Whenever you form,
  • 08:26activate coagulations through
  • 08:27the coagulation cascade,
  • 08:28the body has a natural mechanism to
  • 08:30shut off Coagulations and therefore
  • 08:32prevent from boces from getting
  • 08:34out of control and so that natural
  • 08:36mechanism happens through two sources.
  • 08:38One is through endogenous
  • 08:39anticoagulants that are designed to turn
  • 08:41off the Coagulations Cascade,
  • 08:43and those are these first three up.
  • 08:45Top antithrombin protein protein S
  • 08:47and then the 2nd way that the body
  • 08:50regulates the Quag elation cascade
  • 08:52is to turn on fiber analysis or the
  • 08:54process of digesting blood clots that
  • 08:56are formed and the principal enzyme that
  • 08:59does this is called A2 Antiplasmin.
  • 09:01So as you can see here,
  • 09:03when we measured in documents anticoagulants,
  • 09:05antithrombin protein protein S in ICU and
  • 09:07non ICU patients with colon infection,
  • 09:10we found that they were basically on normal.
  • 09:12Normal is usually anything about
  • 09:1480% and as you can see.
  • 09:16All of these patients had essentially
  • 09:18antis arm approaching CN Protein
  • 09:20S levels around 100%,
  • 09:22indicating that there was not excessive
  • 09:24consumption of anticoagulants.
  • 09:25Endogenous Lee and then we also
  • 09:27looked at A2 Antiplasmin.
  • 09:29The main fibrinolytic enzyme
  • 09:30that I just mentioned,
  • 09:32and again here you can
  • 09:34see the levels in both.
  • 09:35I see you in an ICU patients with
  • 09:38colon infection were normal,
  • 09:40so this let us know that when we
  • 09:42looked at endogenous anticoagulant
  • 09:43San fibrinolytic enzymes,
  • 09:45we were not seeing consumption.
  • 09:47Of any of these,
  • 09:48and the important feature here
  • 09:50is that in most patients with
  • 09:52DIC you should see consumption
  • 09:54of endogenous anticoagulant.
  • 09:55An fibrinolytic enzymes.
  • 09:57So the fact that we were not seeing that.
  • 10:00Let us know that CAC is probably
  • 10:04mechanistically distinct from DC.
  • 10:05The next thing we did was to
  • 10:07measure an enzyme called plasminogen
  • 10:09activator inhibitor or Pai one.
  • 10:11This is the main negative regulator
  • 10:14of fiber analysis and what we
  • 10:16found was that this was elevated
  • 10:18both in ICU and non ICU patients.
  • 10:20The significance of this is that
  • 10:22whenever we see this elevated it
  • 10:24sometimes will suggest that fiber
  • 10:27analysis is inhibited and so it
  • 10:29makes us wonder when we see this
  • 10:31weather perhaps encoded associated
  • 10:32Coagulopathy there may be an inhibition
  • 10:35of Clock breakdown which might
  • 10:37contribute to overall thrombosis risk.
  • 10:39And then the last thing we
  • 10:41did was at the very bottom.
  • 10:44Here we measured three tests,
  • 10:46von Willebrands Factor,
  • 10:47Antigen von Willebrands factor activity
  • 10:49and factor 8 coagulations level.
  • 10:51So what are these fun Willebrand factor?
  • 10:53Is a hemostatic factor that's
  • 10:55released by endothelial cells and
  • 10:57the purpose in coagulations of fun.
  • 10:59Willebrand factor is basically to
  • 11:01help platelets bind to sites of
  • 11:03damaged endothelium and initiate
  • 11:05primary hemostat stasis,
  • 11:06which is important for blood
  • 11:08clotting factor 8.
  • 11:09Separately is a coagulations factor that.
  • 11:12Wines to von Willebrand factor in
  • 11:14the circulation and So what we
  • 11:17notice when we measured levels of
  • 11:19an willebrand factor in factor 8
  • 11:21both in ICU and in ICU patients,
  • 11:23we saw that the levels were quite high,
  • 11:26and in particular the levels were
  • 11:28super elevated in ICU patients,
  • 11:30and I just want to show you another
  • 11:33curve here.
  • 11:34This right here are DOT plots
  • 11:36showing Refactor Antigen one factor
  • 11:38activity and factor 8 in ICU versus
  • 11:40non ICU patients with the green.
  • 11:43Rose indicating what the
  • 11:44normal ranges should be,
  • 11:45so again based on this,
  • 11:47as you can see, one will benefactor in
  • 11:49factor 8 levels are elevated both in
  • 11:52ICU and non ICU patients with Cove it,
  • 11:54but there are through the roof high,
  • 11:56particularly for von Willebrands
  • 11:58factor in the ICU patients.
  • 11:59The significance here is that the major
  • 12:01source of on lower end factor in the
  • 12:04body as it circulates through the blood
  • 12:06is endothelial cells and so whenever
  • 12:08we see this sort of pattern where
  • 12:10we have very very high levels of fun
  • 12:12willebrand factor circulating in the blood.
  • 12:15It tends to point towards a
  • 12:17pattern of endothelial injury.
  • 12:18In addition, von Willebrands factor
  • 12:20can also be stored in platelets,
  • 12:22and so looking at this pattern,
  • 12:25it made us wonder if perhaps both
  • 12:27endothelial cells and platelets
  • 12:28were being hyper activated in
  • 12:30the setting of coded infection.
  • 12:32Particularly as patients
  • 12:34progressed to critical illness.
  • 12:36So in order to test this,
  • 12:38we were interested in looking at specific
  • 12:41markers of endothelial function and
  • 12:43platelet activation and so for this,
  • 12:45we collaborated with Doctor
  • 12:46Hengchun who's an investigator
  • 12:48in the Cardiology Section who,
  • 12:50along with his two postdocs,
  • 12:51doctor home Chang and doctor,
  • 12:53honey and Zhang performed a series
  • 12:55of experiments on all of our ICU and
  • 12:58non ICU patients looking at different
  • 13:00endothelial and platelet activation
  • 13:02markers and the specific ones we
  • 13:04looked at were soluble key selecting.
  • 13:06Which is shown up in the top left,
  • 13:08which is a marker of both
  • 13:10endothelial cells and platelets.
  • 13:11And then we also looked
  • 13:13at soluble CD 40 ligand,
  • 13:14which is seen which is released
  • 13:16by platelets and lymphocytes.
  • 13:17And then Lastly we looked at soluble
  • 13:19from a module in which is specific
  • 13:21mostly to endothelial cells.
  • 13:23Come here because these are
  • 13:24all research tests.
  • 13:25They don't have normal reference
  • 13:27range is so as a result we also got
  • 13:30blood from 13 different control
  • 13:32patients or control individuals,
  • 13:33many of whom are listening
  • 13:35to this talk right now.
  • 13:37So the significance of this is that
  • 13:39when we looked at all these three
  • 13:41different markers of endothelial cell
  • 13:43plus or minus platelet activation,
  • 13:45we saw in pretty much every single case
  • 13:48that the levels were higher in ICU
  • 13:51patients with kovid than they were.
  • 13:53Then controls in the case of
  • 13:55soluble thrombomodulin.
  • 13:56We did not see a significant change in
  • 13:58the level of soluble thermal modeling.
  • 14:01ICU versus control patients.
  • 14:02But what we did notice was that
  • 14:05there were several patients in the
  • 14:07ICU group who had a quite high level
  • 14:09of soluble thermal module in that
  • 14:11made us think that perhaps there
  • 14:13was something going on with soluble
  • 14:16thermal modeling and therefore
  • 14:17endothelial cells that might be
  • 14:19specific to ICU patients.
  • 14:21And so when we did a series of
  • 14:23tests looking at all these different
  • 14:25markers and comparing to mortality,
  • 14:27we found that interesting Lee soluble
  • 14:29thrombomodulin level segregated
  • 14:30with mortality.
  • 14:31Whether we looked at the entire
  • 14:34population in our cohort or
  • 14:36whether we looked at ICU patients.
  • 14:38Alright, so putting this altogether,
  • 14:40what did we learn from from these studies?
  • 14:44First in measuring different
  • 14:45levels of endogenous anticoagulant
  • 14:47sand fibrinolytic enzymes,
  • 14:48we found that antithrombin protein to
  • 14:50protein S and A2 anti plasm overall
  • 14:53preserved which is distinct from DIC
  • 14:55indicating that indeed code associated
  • 14:57Coagulopathy is not the same as DIC.
  • 15:00We also learned that Pai one is elevated,
  • 15:03encoded associated Coagulopathy suggesting
  • 15:05that fiber analysis might be inhibited.
  • 15:07Although we haven't
  • 15:09completely confirmed that.
  • 15:10In addition,
  • 15:11we saw that on Willebrand factor,
  • 15:13in factory levels, which are markers,
  • 15:15particularly endothelial cells and platelets,
  • 15:17are elevated in both non
  • 15:18ICU and ICU patients,
  • 15:20and in particular are through
  • 15:21the roof high in ICU patients,
  • 15:24suggesting that there is a significant
  • 15:25component of any Philly Opathy and
  • 15:28platelet activation encoding infection,
  • 15:29particularly as patients
  • 15:31become critically ill.
  • 15:32And then Lastly,
  • 15:33we saw that when we measured
  • 15:35specific markers of endothelial
  • 15:36cell and platelet activation,
  • 15:38we found that these were elevated in ICU
  • 15:40patients with soluble thrombomodulin,
  • 15:42which is quite specific for endothelial
  • 15:45function segregating with mortality.
  • 15:47So In conclusion,
  • 15:48what we believe our data shows is
  • 15:50that code associated Coagulopathy is
  • 15:52actually an Endo Philly Opathy where
  • 15:54you see augmented von Willebrands
  • 15:57factor release platelet activation an
  • 15:59hypercoagulability all coming together
  • 16:00causing an increased risk of thrombosis,
  • 16:03including Venus thromboembolism,
  • 16:04Artur thrombosis and also
  • 16:06microvascular thrombus.
  • 16:06In addition,
  • 16:07we think that endothelial
  • 16:09dysfunction or injury is a marker
  • 16:11of progression of critical illness,
  • 16:13encoded 19 infection and we find
  • 16:15that soluble from a modeling as
  • 16:17a specific endothelial marker
  • 16:19seems to segregate with mortality.
  • 16:22Um,
  • 16:22the importance of all of this is that
  • 16:24it's made us wonder if there might
  • 16:26be a role for adding antiplatelet
  • 16:29or even endothelial cell modifying
  • 16:31therapy to our anticoagulation algorithm.
  • 16:33And so early on while we were
  • 16:35developing this story,
  • 16:36we met with a number of the ICU directores,
  • 16:39FDA only Haven Hospital Ann through
  • 16:41a lot of discussion just I think
  • 16:44last week or the week before aspirin
  • 16:46was finally added to our treatment
  • 16:48algorithm and now every patient
  • 16:50who gets admitted to the hospital.
  • 16:52In the ICU with colon infection,
  • 16:54get started on aspirin empirically.
  • 16:58So I just want to acknowledge a lot of
  • 17:00people who contributed to this work.
  • 17:02We have this gigantic,
  • 17:04an amazing hematology team,
  • 17:05both on the research side.
  • 17:06In the clinical side,
  • 17:07on the left are all the trainees
  • 17:09who are working with this.
  • 17:11George and Alex are start fellows in
  • 17:13a particular alot of our discussions.
  • 17:15In fact pretty much every experiment
  • 17:17that we've done really started with
  • 17:19conversations at George and I had many
  • 17:21months ago leading to what we have now.
  • 17:23Matt, my salati as I mentioned,
  • 17:25is a superb PhD student Eric Chang
  • 17:26and Yu Shen Lu are both third year
  • 17:29senior medical residents who are going
  • 17:31to be our fellows this coming July.
  • 17:33And then Rebecca fine is an intern
  • 17:35who expressed some interest in doing
  • 17:38immunology Hematology Research.
  • 17:39Down at the bottom are the members of
  • 17:42Doctor Chung's lab who contributed this
  • 17:44worth hung Chang and honey Jang where
  • 17:46both postdocs as I mentioned in the middle.
  • 17:49We have a number of pharmacists,
  • 17:51some of them are familiar to you
  • 17:52guys who are part of our greater team
  • 17:55looking at anticoagulation outcomes.
  • 17:57Cajun mean Nick Difilippo,
  • 17:58Dana McManus, Cantou Enedina frozen.
  • 18:00Uhm and then over on the right.
  • 18:03Here we have our amazing, outpatient,
  • 18:06benign hematology clinical team.
  • 18:07Audrey Gina, Andrea,
  • 18:09Joy, Ann and hope.
  • 18:11Uhm, and then finally the bottom.
  • 18:12I just want to acknowledge Bob Bono,
  • 18:14who's our new chief of benign
  • 18:15team and then Stephanie Helene's,
  • 18:16our section chief as both of them have been
  • 18:18incredibly supportive of these efforts.
  • 18:20So thank you guys and thank you
  • 18:23Charlie. Thank you and congratulations
  • 18:25to you and really the entire
  • 18:27team on working through this.
  • 18:29Uh, in a very short amount of time
  • 18:32and frankly making a difference
  • 18:34for our patients in the process.
  • 18:36and I know we have some
  • 18:38questions coming through,
  • 18:40but let me start by asking you.
  • 18:42Your research seems certainly indicates that
  • 18:44this is a process of interfere with damage.
  • 18:48And do we? What do we know about the
  • 18:51virus itself that lends support that?
  • 18:53This would be a primary incident
  • 18:56to the endothelium.
  • 18:58Yeah, that's a great question,
  • 19:00so there does seem to be in autopsy studies.
  • 19:03A certain component of endothelial leitis,
  • 19:06which some people have shown might be
  • 19:08related to direct viral infection.
  • 19:10So there have been autopsy studies
  • 19:12that have demonstrated viral
  • 19:14particles within endothelial cells.
  • 19:16Not every study has demonstrated that,
  • 19:18but some people do believe that that is
  • 19:21part of the incipient process that begins
  • 19:24the end of filial pattern of injury.
  • 19:27One of the challenges is that.
  • 19:29A lot of people tend to think
  • 19:31of thrombosis as somewhat later
  • 19:32event occuring clinically,
  • 19:34so it's not clear if there may be a
  • 19:37second sort of hit to the end of Filium,
  • 19:39particularly,
  • 19:40patients become critically ill that
  • 19:41might be independent of viral infection.
  • 19:43It might instead involve inflammation
  • 19:45and other things like compliment that
  • 19:47might trigger and a filial activation.
  • 19:50Thank you other questions
  • 19:52that have come through.
  • 19:53Do you have any information about
  • 19:56the specificity of these changes
  • 19:58for chobit relative to other
  • 20:00respiratory viral infections?
  • 20:01For instance, are microvascular thrombi
  • 20:03a finding in in other respiratory
  • 20:05viral infections beyond coated?
  • 20:07Yeah, that's
  • 20:08a good question to my knowledge I I'm
  • 20:11not aware of a lot of other viruses
  • 20:15that show microvascular thrown by.
  • 20:17There are certain cases of influenza
  • 20:19that can be characterized by
  • 20:21massive inflammatory responses.
  • 20:23Um dangi infection is also often
  • 20:25brought up as an example of a
  • 20:27virus that can cause a pretty
  • 20:29awful coagulopathic picture,
  • 20:31so I'm not sure if any of either of those
  • 20:33in particular are classically associated.
  • 20:36Microvascular phone by or not,
  • 20:38but I'm not aware of a lot
  • 20:40of other viruses that are.
  • 20:43And then another question do that?
  • 20:46Does the Coagulopathy correlate
  • 20:48with the static on storm? Yeah,
  • 20:51so that's a great question Stewart.
  • 20:54So one of the interesting experiments
  • 20:56that that Young Chun started to
  • 20:59do with our patient samples is to
  • 21:01examine different proteomic profiles,
  • 21:04and so we're starting to
  • 21:06get that data back now,
  • 21:08and the hope is to see mechanistically,
  • 21:12if any of the changes inside a current
  • 21:15profiles that that are shown do correlate
  • 21:18with robotic risk or endothelial dysfunction.
  • 21:21One of the challenges we have in
  • 21:23trying to interpret our data fully
  • 21:25is that as most of you guys know,
  • 21:27pretty much every critically ill patient
  • 21:29in the hospital with kovid receives
  • 21:31totalism AB before they reach the ICU,
  • 21:33which is an interleukin six receptor blocker,
  • 21:36and so there may be some effects of
  • 21:38Totalism app not only on Coagulopathy
  • 21:40but also on the sideline profile,
  • 21:42and so we're trying to figure
  • 21:44out how to interpret that.
  • 21:47Another question for patients on on a
  • 21:49ventilator for other causes of a RDS,
  • 21:51do they have elevated levels
  • 21:53of one willebrand factor? Yeah,
  • 21:55even that's a fantastic question,
  • 21:57and so the answer is yes, sort of,
  • 21:59but not not quite to the same level.
  • 22:02So in the literature there's a lot of other.
  • 22:05There's a few other diseases that are known
  • 22:08to have very bad end of Philly Opathy,
  • 22:10one of them being severe DIC
  • 22:13with septic shock and VOD or SOS
  • 22:15in transplant is another one.
  • 22:17Um, and in fact a RDS is known
  • 22:19to also be characterized by NFL
  • 22:21dysfunction as somewhat of a control.
  • 22:23We separately worked with the ICU to
  • 22:26measure von Willebrand factor levels
  • 22:28in non kovid ICU patients who are into
  • 22:30baited and in those patients we did
  • 22:33see elevated von Willebrands levels,
  • 22:34but we did not see a consistently
  • 22:37super high level of unrelated factor
  • 22:39like we do in code and so we do
  • 22:42think there's some specificity to
  • 22:43this particular Cove in response.
  • 22:46Makes sense since the last question
  • 22:48from Stuart is you compared ICU
  • 22:51versus non ICU versus controls?
  • 22:53What about these values in comparing
  • 22:56patients with thrombotic complications?
  • 22:57For those without cloths,
  • 22:59yes Sir, that's a fantastic question.
  • 23:01You know, one of the challenges
  • 23:03that we have at our hospital,
  • 23:05and this is not unique to us,
  • 23:08is that because of concerns about
  • 23:10excess health care worker exposure,
  • 23:12it's not been routine for
  • 23:14covert patients at Yale.
  • 23:16New Haven Hospital to get
  • 23:17imaging to confirm thrombosis.
  • 23:19If you guys recall in the Cove
  • 23:22at anticoagulation algorithm,
  • 23:23we said anybody.
  • 23:23Any patient in whom one suspects a Venus
  • 23:26Roman Bolic event should automatically
  • 23:28start photos anticoagulation.
  • 23:29The reason we added that in there is
  • 23:31because most patients are not getting
  • 23:33imaging to tell whether they really
  • 23:35have a Venus thromboembolic event.
  • 23:36Therefore we don't really have a
  • 23:38good idea of how many patients in
  • 23:40our own hospital system and which
  • 23:42ones actually have a thrombotic
  • 23:43complication and which ones don't,
  • 23:45so I can't answer that based on our data.