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When Watson and Crick Get linked: DNA Interstrand Crosslink Repair and Human Disease

March 08, 2023
  • 00:00The Cancer Center grand rounds.
  • 00:03I'm Barbara Burtness,
  • 00:05and I'm really extraordinarily
  • 00:07thrilled to be introducing agato
  • 00:10smuggler Jessica as our speaker today.
  • 00:13She is an associate professor of genome
  • 00:16maintenance at the Rockefeller University.
  • 00:18She received her PhD from Rockefeller and
  • 00:21her MD from Wild Cornell Medical College.
  • 00:25Following a residency in
  • 00:27clinical pathology at MGH,
  • 00:29she joined Harvard Medical School as a
  • 00:31postdoctoral fellow in Stephen Elledge's lab.
  • 00:34She's the recipient of numerous awards,
  • 00:36including the Irma T Herschel Research Award,
  • 00:38the Rita Allen Foundation
  • 00:40Scholars Program Grant,
  • 00:41the Burroughs welcome Fund Career Award,
  • 00:43AV Foundation Translational Research Award,
  • 00:46and the Herald Weintraub graduate student.
  • 00:49Her lab focuses on DNA repair mechanisms,
  • 00:52particularly those involved with
  • 00:55interstrand crosslink repair pathways,
  • 00:57and she's interested in identifying
  • 00:59new genes that are involved in this
  • 01:01repair process in order to reveal the
  • 01:03mechanisms at play in human diseases
  • 01:05that result from deficiencies in
  • 01:07interest strand cross link repair.
  • 01:09This includes Fanconi anemia and
  • 01:12kerio megalith interstitial nephritis.
  • 01:14To this end,
  • 01:15she successfully identified SLX 4,
  • 01:18red 51 and U BE2T is interstrand
  • 01:21crosslink repair factors,
  • 01:23as well as developed a mouse model of
  • 01:25Carrie Magalog interstitial nephritis.
  • 01:27And recently she's begun studies
  • 01:29revolving around how replication
  • 01:31stress is addressed by cells
  • 01:33to promote genome stability.
  • 01:34She also has a deep interest in
  • 01:36those cancers which arise in
  • 01:38patients who have DNA repair.
  • 01:40Defects.
  • 01:40And it's because of this that I've
  • 01:42had the extraordinary pleasure
  • 01:43of beginning to work with her
  • 01:45on the stand up to cancer Grant,
  • 01:46which looks at Fanconi anemia,
  • 01:48associated head neck cancer.
  • 01:51So.
  • 01:51Like I said,
  • 01:53if you wanna come up.
  • 01:55This plaque is to thank you for for
  • 01:57coming to give grand rounds in person,
  • 01:59which many people have not
  • 02:01been willing to do recently.
  • 02:05And we're really looking
  • 02:06forward to your talk.
  • 02:07Thank you so much. Yes, thank you.
  • 02:10Well, thank you Barbara for first
  • 02:12of all for inviting me all of you
  • 02:15for coming to hear the lecture and
  • 02:17all of you on zoom for joining in.
  • 02:20And it's really my pleasure to to
  • 02:23be here and it's been fantastic to
  • 02:26work with Barbara and and learning
  • 02:29from her more about the the clinical
  • 02:32aspects of what we do and hopefully
  • 02:35bringing some new therapies to
  • 02:37these patients eventually, OK, so.
  • 02:41I will talk about DNA interstrand crosslinks
  • 02:44and I'll just remind you though that oh,
  • 02:48these are my disclosures.
  • 02:50I'll just remind you that DNA repair.
  • 02:55It's really essential for a lot of
  • 02:57aspects of of life and depending on what
  • 03:01kind of flavor of DNA damage you have,
  • 03:04whether it's from the outside,
  • 03:07from the UV light creating these dimers,
  • 03:10or from within the cell,
  • 03:11something that I'm quite interested in,
  • 03:14for example, creating mismatches.
  • 03:17There is a repair pathway that's dedicated
  • 03:21to these and there are a number of genetic.
  • 03:24Diseases associated with inability
  • 03:27to repair these different lesions
  • 03:30and they come again in many different
  • 03:34phenotypes resulting in developmental
  • 03:37abnormalities and the generate the
  • 03:40generative diseases and a lot of
  • 03:43them obviously are associated with
  • 03:46cancer prone due to mutagenic nature
  • 03:49of these lesions if the lesions
  • 03:52are not properly repaired.
  • 03:54So my favorite lesion is this interest
  • 03:57in Cross link and I'll give you a little
  • 04:00bit of introduction about these lesions.
  • 04:03This is a covalent linkage
  • 04:04of two strands of the DNA.
  • 04:07It's repaired by the Franco anemia
  • 04:10DNA repair pathway and I'll give you
  • 04:12more of a of the mechanism of how this
  • 04:16is done in in a bit in later slide,
  • 04:18but the whole purpose of this pathway
  • 04:21which is activated during DNA replication.
  • 04:25Is to create 2 pristine.
  • 04:27Double stranded DNA that can be then
  • 04:31moved to dollars trends during during
  • 04:34the cell division and I'll just
  • 04:37mention I won't talk much about it
  • 04:40but this pathway is also activated
  • 04:42at difficult to replicate regions.
  • 04:45So repetitive DNA are loops and there
  • 04:48is growing evidence that at any time
  • 04:52there is stalling of replication forks
  • 04:54the pathway can come to to rescue.
  • 04:57Those forks so that this this intern
  • 05:02crossing is really our model of
  • 05:05of how pathways activated.
  • 05:07And the outcomes of abnormality in
  • 05:10pathway activation or function are
  • 05:13these genomic instability that you
  • 05:15can heat see here in this metaphase
  • 05:17spread where you see number of
  • 05:20these abnormal radial chromosomes.
  • 05:22So we see that in cells from Franconia
  • 05:26anemia patients when they are treated
  • 05:30with external internal crosslink causing.
  • 05:35Chemicals like mydomain sincere splatsin you
  • 05:38see number of abnormalities including gaps,
  • 05:41breaks and these radio chromosomes
  • 05:43and the radial chromosomes occur
  • 05:46because of two double strand breaks
  • 05:48that are that find each other and are
  • 05:52joined together forming these radios.
  • 05:54And obviously these radios come radio
  • 05:57chromosomes can cause instability but
  • 05:59can also cause death of cells when they
  • 06:03are trying to the cell tries to divide.
  • 06:07So. The reason why we know that this
  • 06:09pathway is particularly important in
  • 06:11stem cells are all these phenotypes that
  • 06:14we see in patients with Fanconi anemia.
  • 06:17There are many developmental
  • 06:20phenotypes including these skeletal
  • 06:22abnormalities that you see here,
  • 06:25but pretty much any,
  • 06:26any system can be affected and that's seen in
  • 06:31patients who are truly null for this pathway.
  • 06:35Majority of patients will present with Pence,
  • 06:37Cytopenia.
  • 06:38Around age, median age of 10,
  • 06:41and even though it's called anemia,
  • 06:43all of the.
  • 06:46All of the hematopoiesis can be
  • 06:49affected and and actually platelets
  • 06:52are usually the first to to draw.
  • 06:55And then there is very this very
  • 06:57interesting phenotype that will spend
  • 06:59a lot of time talking about the cancer
  • 07:02predisposition MSDS and AML occurs in
  • 07:05the setting of pancytopenia and squamous
  • 07:08cell carcinoma occurs later in life
  • 07:12but still in in at young age of average 31.
  • 07:16We have very young patients as
  • 07:18I'll I'll show you in in future
  • 07:21slides and then depending on the
  • 07:23actual path of gene that's mutated.
  • 07:25We can also have breast cancer,
  • 07:27medulloblastoma and and
  • 07:29other embryonal tumors.
  • 07:31And there are other phenotypes that are
  • 07:34still fairly poorly understood like
  • 07:36infertility and endocrine abnormalities.
  • 07:38So this is a great model in my
  • 07:42mind for studying DNA repair.
  • 07:46So today, I'll tell you about the first part,
  • 07:49very short part about the mechanism
  • 07:51of interstrand crosslink repair.
  • 07:53Secondly,
  • 07:53I'll talk about the identification
  • 07:55of endogenous sources,
  • 07:57sources of interstrand crosslink.
  • 07:59And today I'll talk about the
  • 08:02bone marrow side.
  • 08:04But we are very much interested in
  • 08:06those in the keratinocytes as well.
  • 08:08And this is an ongoing work in my lab.
  • 08:11And then I'll talk about the mechanism
  • 08:14of tumorigenesis and Fanconi anemia.
  • 08:16Especially in the squamous cell carcinoma.
  • 08:19So just to give you a flavor of how
  • 08:23this pathway actually functions,
  • 08:27this is a very regulated process of
  • 08:30repair of these of these lesions.
  • 08:33So we start with the ACL that you
  • 08:36that I've shown you before and this
  • 08:39is the structure that we know forms
  • 08:42when the replication forks stall
  • 08:44at the lesion and some of this work
  • 08:46has been done in in human cells,
  • 08:48some of it.
  • 08:49This work was done in Johannes Walters
  • 08:51lab in the Xenopus egg extract system.
  • 08:53So biochemically,
  • 08:55it's a fairly understood pathway.
  • 08:58What's essential in this pathway,
  • 08:59and I'll show you the proteins
  • 09:01that are involved in a moment,
  • 09:02but what has to happen is that
  • 09:05the the DNA needs to be broken,
  • 09:07but in a very regulated way that then
  • 09:10gets repaired through translesion
  • 09:12synthesis and then through homologous
  • 09:15recombination that requires
  • 09:17BRC 2 and other proteins.
  • 09:19And this eventually leads to this full
  • 09:23DNA repaired repaired DNA with with
  • 09:27two strands that are fully repaired.
  • 09:31So the proteins that are participating
  • 09:34in this pathway really has been
  • 09:38identified through studies of
  • 09:41Franco anemia patients and.
  • 09:43Just go to go back for a moment
  • 09:45to the history of this disease.
  • 09:48Fanconi anemia has been identified in
  • 09:501927 by Guido Fanconi and described
  • 09:54as hereditary pancytopenia with
  • 09:56short stature and hyperpigmentation.
  • 10:00The first gene fancy was identified 92,
  • 10:02but even then it was known that more
  • 10:05than one gene will be causative
  • 10:07for this mutation.
  • 10:09And this was Buckwald lab who
  • 10:11identified the first gene.
  • 10:13And now we know that there are 22 genes
  • 10:16that can be mutated in Fanconi anemia
  • 10:18and we actually are working on on #23,
  • 10:22which fits very nicely in this pathway.
  • 10:26And the this data is actually showing
  • 10:30the percentage of of patients with
  • 10:33different mutations in different genes
  • 10:35and this is from our International
  • 10:39Franconia registry that I,
  • 10:41I run at at the Rockefeller University.
  • 10:45And you can see that Frank a mutations franc
  • 10:48and Frank G mutations are the most common.
  • 10:51More majority of the diseases of this
  • 10:54disease is autosomal recessive we have.
  • 10:56Language which is excellent and
  • 10:58then uh thank our that we've
  • 11:01discovered right 51 mutations.
  • 11:03These are always the Novo dominant
  • 11:05and we have a number of patients now
  • 11:08with different mutations and and
  • 11:09rat 51 and all of them have the same
  • 11:13dominant function and they're all
  • 11:15denovo presumably because right 51
  • 11:17is necessary during biosis and we
  • 11:19would never recover any any patients,
  • 11:22any transmission really through
  • 11:25through the germline.
  • 11:27OK.
  • 11:27And this registry that I've mentioned
  • 11:29has been really instrumental for
  • 11:31our work and it was started in
  • 11:341982 by Arlene Auerbach who's still
  • 11:37participates in the lab meetings
  • 11:39and has a lot to say about about
  • 11:42the disease and has been really
  • 11:44wonderful in in in helping us through
  • 11:47this through some of these studies.
  • 11:50So now I'll spend really few just few
  • 11:54minutes on the proteins themselves.
  • 11:56Just to give you a gift,
  • 11:58again a flavor for the for this pathway.
  • 12:01So majority of the proteins whose
  • 12:04genes are mutated in Fanconi patients
  • 12:07form this large core complex.
  • 12:10All of the colored proteins are
  • 12:12actually those that have mutations
  • 12:14in Fanconi in Fanconi patients.
  • 12:17And you can see that this core complex
  • 12:20is situated that this cross link as
  • 12:22if it was identifying the the damage.
  • 12:26It's actually unclear.
  • 12:27How that's exactly done?
  • 12:30The key to this core complex is that
  • 12:34it has this E3 ubiquitin ligase fancl
  • 12:37and with Frank T, which is the E2,
  • 12:41they the whole purpose of this core
  • 12:43we we understand now that the whole
  • 12:46purpose is to ubiquitinated Frankie
  • 12:49and Frankie 2 and that process
  • 12:51through beautiful structural studies
  • 12:53that have been done in the past.
  • 12:55Semoran Pablo Ditches lab
  • 12:57shows that the Fanki and Frank.
  • 13:00Who forms a clamp around the the crosslink?
  • 13:04Actually there are more,
  • 13:05probably more clamps around as
  • 13:07shown by the Dean slab that sort
  • 13:10of decorate this cross link.
  • 13:12Eventually,
  • 13:13and this is again not quite worked out,
  • 13:17the proteins that are important for
  • 13:20in making these incisions come in
  • 13:23and one of the important proteins
  • 13:25here is this SLX 4 which acts as a
  • 13:29scaffold for three different nucleases.
  • 13:31And it's quite amazing how the three
  • 13:35nucleases are associated with one
  • 13:37protein and frank P is or a cell.
  • 13:40X4 is essential not only for scaffolding.
  • 13:43But for the function of the of these
  • 13:46other nucleases without this slex
  • 13:484 none of the nucleus is actually
  • 13:51are functional within the cell.
  • 13:53They have full in vitro function
  • 13:55but not not cellular function.
  • 13:57So it's it's fascinating but in
  • 13:59this case XPF is the one that's
  • 14:03making the incisions.
  • 14:04I'll also mention the protein that
  • 14:06that or disease that Barbara mentioned
  • 14:09the carrier Magali Constitution
  • 14:11nephritis which has mutations.
  • 14:13In fan one and Fan 1 gene codes
  • 14:17for this another nuclease and this
  • 14:20system which can also unhook,
  • 14:22but it can unhook this this cross link
  • 14:25outside of S phase and we're still
  • 14:28very much interested in knowing how
  • 14:31how that affects the the the function
  • 14:34especially in the kidney and and the liver.
  • 14:39Eventually,
  • 14:39after these, uh,
  • 14:41these incisions are made,
  • 14:43you bring in translesion polymerases
  • 14:46and they are used to to replicate
  • 14:50across this unhooked lesion.
  • 14:53And that's actually probably
  • 14:56not a mutagenic process.
  • 14:59It's mostly a Posada that that can
  • 15:03that can repair this this lesion.
  • 15:06And eventually, as I mentioned,
  • 15:08there's a whole homologous.
  • 15:10Combination pathway that is involved
  • 15:13in a repair of of the double strand
  • 15:16break and here all of your proteins,
  • 15:18favorite proteins that are
  • 15:20associated with breast and ovarian
  • 15:22cancer when they're mutated when
  • 15:24the genus mutated in one copy.
  • 15:26So BRC 2, power B2B,
  • 15:30RC1,
  • 15:30rad 51 are are functioning in this in this
  • 15:35pathway and eventually we go back to SLX.
  • 15:39Or and associated Mercedes one and
  • 15:43the selects one where the repair needs
  • 15:47to be completed using these these
  • 15:51nucleases or a bloom healer case.
  • 15:54I will also mention that there is
  • 15:56another another pathway that's and
  • 15:58the reason why the RCA two and Route
  • 16:0051 are necessary at these cross
  • 16:02links and that's to protect these
  • 16:04cross links from from nucleases and
  • 16:07our lab has shown that it's there.
  • 16:10There is a protection against DNA to
  • 16:13and Warner and other labs before us
  • 16:17have shown for especially the Jason
  • 16:20lab that there is also protection
  • 16:22against MRE 11 at stalled.
  • 16:24Forks for example,
  • 16:26after hydroxyurea and other other damage.
  • 16:29So I this is this is all I I have
  • 16:32to say about the mechanism of
  • 16:34of function of these proteins.
  • 16:36There are still a lot of details that
  • 16:39need to be that need to be filled in,
  • 16:42but we have an idea of how
  • 16:44how this pathway functions.
  • 16:46And the only other thing that I say
  • 16:48I'll say about this is that it's
  • 16:51really a very well regulated process,
  • 16:53so you make double strand breaks.
  • 16:55But they are immediately being
  • 16:57shuttled to the proper repair.
  • 16:59OK, so we'll talk about what happens
  • 17:01in the in the third part of my talk,
  • 17:04we'll, we'll talk about what
  • 17:05happens when this repair is abnormal
  • 17:07and the brakes are still made,
  • 17:08but they are inappropriately repaired.
  • 17:13So in the second part,
  • 17:15I'll talk about the endogenous
  • 17:17sources of interest and cross links.
  • 17:19So I showed you that the Franconia pathway
  • 17:23is necessary for repair of I CL's,
  • 17:26but you may ask, well,
  • 17:27where are these IC's coming from?
  • 17:30Obviously in the in the
  • 17:32clinic we are very much.
  • 17:37Aware of cisplatin and mitomycin C and
  • 17:40interest rate crosslinks occur after
  • 17:43treatment with these with these agents,
  • 17:46although there are other
  • 17:47lesions that occur as well,
  • 17:48right intrastrand crosslinks and others.
  • 17:51The exogenous damage also can come from
  • 17:55bacterial metabolites, and there are.
  • 17:58There are E coli strains that are
  • 18:02making ICL inducing. Chemicals.
  • 18:04It can come from acetyl,
  • 18:06aldehyde, from ethanol.
  • 18:08It can come from tobacco smoke,
  • 18:11which is full of formaldehyde,
  • 18:12acrolein and other mutagens.
  • 18:15But formaldehyde and acrolein are
  • 18:17very good into strong cross linkers.
  • 18:20But we are particularly interested
  • 18:23in sources of endogenous DNA damage
  • 18:26and really beautiful work that I'll
  • 18:28describe a little bit in the two
  • 18:31slides that are coming up have shown
  • 18:34that endogenous toxic metabolites
  • 18:37formaldehyde and acetaldehyde are
  • 18:41particularly important in the bone
  • 18:44marrow and definitely contribute to bone
  • 18:47marrow failure in Franconia patients.
  • 18:50And in mouse models,
  • 18:52so let me just introduce them.
  • 18:56This work was done mostly by
  • 18:58KJ Patel's group in the UK and
  • 19:02they've defined LDH 2 and ADH 5.
  • 19:05These are alcohol and aldehyde
  • 19:07dehydrogenases as being important
  • 19:09for this first tier of protection.
  • 19:11So they remove the toxins from
  • 19:14the cell and that prevents I CL
  • 19:18DNA damage and of course the.
  • 19:21Frankonia pathway is a second
  • 19:23tier of protection.
  • 19:24Whatever has been incorporated as
  • 19:27cross links will be removed as well.
  • 19:30So let me just give you a a shore
  • 19:33segue and talk about a LDH 2 and ADH 5.
  • 19:37So a LDH 2 is necessary for removal
  • 19:40of acetyl aldehyde which is which can
  • 19:43come from ethanol from the outside,
  • 19:46but also from metabolism,
  • 19:49intracellular metabolism.
  • 19:50And LDH 2 is responsible for
  • 19:54detoxifying it to acetate.
  • 19:57And a KG Patels group has described
  • 20:01LDH 2 knockouts when combined
  • 20:04with Fangy 2 knockouts.
  • 20:06The mouse for the first time
  • 20:08really developed bone marrow fell
  • 20:10failure and leukemia.
  • 20:12So the mouse model without just fancd
  • 20:152 mouse model does not develop.
  • 20:19Bank bone marrow failure or leukemia.
  • 20:21It has mild hematopoietic dysfunction,
  • 20:24but it's nothing that you consider
  • 20:27a bone marrow failure.
  • 20:29In humans combination of FANK
  • 20:32mutations and usually it's frank,
  • 20:34a mutation and a LDH 2 star 2
  • 20:38which is the dysfunctional.
  • 20:40Variant of LDH 2 causes early onset
  • 20:43of Fanconi anemia phenotype and there
  • 20:47is a really beautiful paper from
  • 20:50the Takata group that have that has
  • 20:54shown that and that was published
  • 20:57in 2013 which really solidified
  • 20:59our thinking about this this as a
  • 21:03as a modifier of Fanconi anemia.
  • 21:05And I also will mention that together
  • 21:09with Chris Vakoc's lab we showed that.
  • 21:11Somatic Aldh 2 mutation silencing
  • 21:16in AML's results in in dependency
  • 21:19on the Fanconi anemia.
  • 21:22So when when Chris's lab and they
  • 21:25are at Cold Spring Harbor did a
  • 21:28screen and showed in number of
  • 21:31AML's dependency on Fanconi anemia.
  • 21:34He called us up and and asked what
  • 21:36what should I look at why are they dying?
  • 21:38And I said well just look at LDH 2 I
  • 21:41bet it's. Yeah, 2 and that's what
  • 21:43that's what it turns out to be.
  • 21:45We just helped him a little bit but
  • 21:47some of some of AML's depend on on
  • 21:50Franconia because of the of the
  • 21:52silencing of LH2 which I think is quite
  • 21:56interesting and has implications for
  • 21:59for therapies for these for these AML.
  • 22:01So then ADH five came.
  • 22:05And that that was also from KJ Patel's
  • 22:09work that ADH five is necessary for.
  • 22:13I mean this is this has been known
  • 22:15that has been known that ADH five
  • 22:18is necessary for detoxification of
  • 22:20formaldehyde through this through this
  • 22:23pathway and again they create a DH,
  • 22:26five -, 22 negative mice and they
  • 22:28had bone marrow failure but also
  • 22:30had gromel glomerular damage.
  • 22:32That's actually poorly understood
  • 22:34still and there is this.
  • 22:36Uh new digenic human disease of
  • 22:40LDH 2 ADH 5 double knockouts or
  • 22:44the dysfunctional alleles which
  • 22:47have bone marrow failure,
  • 22:48myelodysplastic syndrome,
  • 22:49foot for some reason,
  • 22:51foot skeletal abnormalities
  • 22:54and also neurodegeneration.
  • 22:56So now you have phenotypes that are
  • 22:59associated with ACL's and creation of
  • 23:02I CL's in multiple different tissues.
  • 23:05Including in the brain and we if somebody
  • 23:08is interested in knowing why the brain,
  • 23:10we can discuss that later.
  • 23:12But there that really shows
  • 23:14us that there is a lot of.
  • 23:18Well,
  • 23:19the cells have a lot of different
  • 23:21pathways for as this first tier
  • 23:24of protection and my lab has been
  • 23:27interested in identifying other
  • 23:29pathways in different cells as cell
  • 23:32types and we started with with cells
  • 23:34of jurkat cells which are T cell
  • 23:37leukemia cells to figure this out.
  • 23:39So our hypothesis was that there
  • 23:41would be more of these detoxification
  • 23:44path pathways in the cells and
  • 23:47by understanding what that is.
  • 23:49They might actually be equipped
  • 23:51with understanding of what can we
  • 23:54increase to have some preventive
  • 23:57measures in in Fanconi anemia.
  • 23:59So this is work from Munjung Jung
  • 24:02who's now a a assistant professor
  • 24:05at Hopkins and she was a clinical
  • 24:08scholar in my lab and she did
  • 24:11a metabolism focus screen.
  • 24:13So this is crisper screen or that she.
  • 24:18Performed in jurkat cells.
  • 24:20And she took Frankie to positive
  • 24:23and negative jurkat cells.
  • 24:25And the whole purpose was to
  • 24:27identify the genes that are dropping
  • 24:30out from fangy to negative cells.
  • 24:33So these are essential,
  • 24:35would be essential for faculty to cells.
  • 24:38And you can see that there are
  • 24:40lots of genes that that dropped
  • 24:42out and some of them were actually
  • 24:45consistent with what we know.
  • 24:47So these are these cells, SLC 7A.
  • 24:5111 and Assoc 3A2.
  • 24:54They form a complex that is responsible
  • 24:57for cysteine movement across the cell
  • 25:01membrane and that feeds into glutathione,
  • 25:04which is important for
  • 25:06formaldehyde detoxification,
  • 25:07so that fit.
  • 25:08There was also a we did get a
  • 25:11DH5 in the screen,
  • 25:13but the gene that we concentrate
  • 25:16on concentrated on was a LH9A1.
  • 25:20Eight out of 10 guides scored in
  • 25:24this in this assay and the rest
  • 25:27of the work was really based on a
  • 25:29LH9A1. This is a aldehyde dehydrogenases
  • 25:33in metabolizes amino aldehydes,
  • 25:35at least in vitro and it's highly
  • 25:38expressed in liver, muscle and kidney.
  • 25:40And the idea here is that it will there
  • 25:44will be tax toxic metabolite that is
  • 25:47now detoxified by AL DH9A1 and this.
  • 25:50If you don't have aldh 91,
  • 25:52the toxic metabolite will create
  • 25:54DNA damage and you don't have if
  • 25:56you don't have Franconia pathway,
  • 25:58these cells would die and get transformed.
  • 26:00But if you have Franconia pathway,
  • 26:02you would have cell survival.
  • 26:05So umm munjung has validated
  • 26:09this in multiple assays,
  • 26:11and there is a bio archives paper that
  • 26:14we've we put out there competition.
  • 26:17Assays cells that didn't have a
  • 26:21two and a LDH 9A1 did much more
  • 26:25poorly and growth assays.
  • 26:28She also could show that there were
  • 26:31increased numbers of apoptotic cells,
  • 26:33increased DNA damage through gamma H2AX.
  • 26:37And increased chromosome breakage.
  • 26:38So this is where we can look at
  • 26:42without exogenous DNA damage.
  • 26:44Look at numbers of breaks that are
  • 26:47occurring in the double knockouts
  • 26:50in different different clones and we
  • 26:52can see that there is a increase of
  • 26:55of chromosome breakage if we don't
  • 26:58have a LDH 9A1 Infinity 2 cells.
  • 27:02She also used human hematopoietic
  • 27:04stem cells depleted Frank A with SH.
  • 27:08RNA's did a knockout with of LDH 9A1
  • 27:11and those could make fewer colonies.
  • 27:14But what happened?
  • 27:15We made a mouse expecting some
  • 27:18level of of bone marrow failure
  • 27:21and we've seen phenotypes so these
  • 27:24mice are born smaller than fanki.
  • 27:27Negative mice which are already
  • 27:28small have increased number
  • 27:30of eye abnormalities at birth,
  • 27:32which has been seen as a DNA.
  • 27:33Damage outcome and they have increased
  • 27:37number of variant tumors in aged mice,
  • 27:40but really very mild hematopoietic defect.
  • 27:43So that tells us that there will be
  • 27:46differences also between mice and
  • 27:48men in how the these detoxification
  • 27:51pathways are working.
  • 27:52And This is why we when we are modeling
  • 27:55things in the mouse with in this in
  • 27:57this pathway I think it's important
  • 27:59to to do things and in parallel
  • 28:02in human system and in the mouse.
  • 28:04And and compare and contrast
  • 28:06because there will be differences
  • 28:08and whatever we model in the mouse
  • 28:11actually might not be as as important
  • 28:14in humans and and vice versa.
  • 28:18So the last question that
  • 28:20we wanted to ask is, well,
  • 28:22we've identified the the enzyme,
  • 28:25but what's really the,
  • 28:27the problem, what's the source,
  • 28:30what's the toxic metabolite that these
  • 28:32cells are dealing with so much junk
  • 28:35did a suppressor screen as we are,
  • 28:37we are geneticists at heart.
  • 28:39So she took the double negative cells
  • 28:43frankly to a LH9A1 double knockouts and.
  • 28:47I redid the screen the the same method
  • 28:51with using the same metabolism library,
  • 28:54but now wanted to see the cells
  • 28:56that are actually growing better.
  • 28:58So now we are knocking out some other
  • 29:02gene that is necessary for production
  • 29:05of our of our toxic metabolite.
  • 29:10And the Omni gene that we've
  • 29:14identified is this ATP 13A3.
  • 29:16We've actually identified a LDH 9A1 itself,
  • 29:20but that's we think is actually
  • 29:22through reversion mutations.
  • 29:24So these are now we are creating a mutant
  • 29:28and a LDH 91 that reverts the function.
  • 29:31So we in a way it shows that
  • 29:34our screen worked in both ways,
  • 29:37but this gene is quite interesting
  • 29:39because this is now.
  • 29:41A protein that's necessary codes for a
  • 29:44protein that's necessary for polyamine,
  • 29:47for example spermine.
  • 29:51Movement through the from between
  • 29:53different membranes and if we
  • 29:56have high level of spermine,
  • 29:58we know at least this is
  • 30:00what we think would happen.
  • 30:02We would get high levels of I mean
  • 30:05the proper now and as I mentioned I'll
  • 30:08ADH 9A1 is involved in detoxification
  • 30:10of amino propanol and propanol
  • 30:13can lead to acrolein and cells.
  • 30:16We actually haven't yet shown that this
  • 30:18these are this is what happens in the system.
  • 30:20But everything that we have is consistent
  • 30:23with this, with this hypothesis, so.
  • 30:28If we have triple mutants, these cells,
  • 30:32these cells now can grow much better,
  • 30:36presumably because we are sequestering the
  • 30:40polyamines outside of the away from the DNA,
  • 30:44not creating these these crosslinks.
  • 30:49So I think this is a a an example
  • 30:53of how we are.
  • 30:55Identifying endogenous types of DNA
  • 30:58damage that are necessary for crosslink
  • 31:01repair for that are necessary to be
  • 31:04repaired by franklinia pathway and
  • 31:07other pathways of crosslink repair.
  • 31:10And really adding to this idea of
  • 31:15how the first tier of protection is
  • 31:19necessary to to protect the the genome,
  • 31:22not creating interstrand crosslinks.
  • 31:25And that eventually obviously is necessary
  • 31:28for normal cell and organ function.
  • 31:31So with that,
  • 31:32I'll move to the last topic,
  • 31:35which is cancer and Fanconi anemia,
  • 31:38children and young adults.
  • 31:42And when you think about Franco
  • 31:45anemia pathway,
  • 31:46there are,
  • 31:47I already mentioned that there are
  • 31:50different types of of tumors that
  • 31:53can form and one of the tumors that
  • 31:56we think about are these embryonal
  • 31:58tumors and AML that are forming when
  • 32:03homology directed repair is absent.
  • 32:05So these are patients who
  • 32:08have beers biallelic BRC 2.
  • 32:11Or probably 2 mutations and they are
  • 32:15identified early age you know they
  • 32:17they have they developed these tumors
  • 32:20within the first five years of of
  • 32:23their life and we actually have a
  • 32:26mouse model of of medulloblastoma
  • 32:28that is quite interesting but
  • 32:30not ready for prime time.
  • 32:32But the the reason why we are
  • 32:35interested again in these tumors
  • 32:37is because we want to understand
  • 32:39why the granule progenitor.
  • 32:42Cells or the cells that lead to
  • 32:44neuroblastoma or tulips tumors,
  • 32:46why do they really need BRC 2 function?
  • 32:50What's so special about these cells
  • 32:52that require BRC 2 function or probably
  • 32:552 function homologous recombination.
  • 32:58So that's something that we are
  • 33:00we are continuing to develop.
  • 33:03But outside of homologous recombination
  • 33:05when the ICL repair is abnormal,
  • 33:08so these are patients with mutations in
  • 33:11any of the core complex fanki FANGY 2 SLX 4.
  • 33:15We don't have yet patients
  • 33:17who have tumors with XPF,
  • 33:18but that's more of a problem of the PF
  • 33:23being necessary also in other tissues.
  • 33:26These patients develop AML's and also
  • 33:29develop squamous cell carcinomas
  • 33:32and today we'll concentrate on
  • 33:34squamous cell carcinomas.
  • 33:36So this is a knowledgeable audience
  • 33:39about squamous cell carcinomas and
  • 33:42we'll concentrate on head and neck.
  • 33:45And in sporadic cases,
  • 33:47you have two types of of head
  • 33:50and neck cancers.
  • 33:51One of them is HPV associated
  • 33:56that we want to spend too
  • 33:58much time talking about.
  • 33:59The other one is a HPV negative
  • 34:03and that those tumors are
  • 34:06associated with carcinogens that
  • 34:08are present in tobacco and alcohol.
  • 34:10And I would also claim that endogenous.
  • 34:15Aldehydes will play a role in here as well.
  • 34:19And maybe for franconi patients who might
  • 34:21not be exposed to alcohol and tobacco
  • 34:24as much as the general population are,
  • 34:27those indulgence aldehydes will be important.
  • 34:32The the truth about head and neck cancer
  • 34:35is that the patients are diagnosed late,
  • 34:38the survival is still poor and it's not
  • 34:41really decreasing and if it's decreasing
  • 34:44it's it's just because there's more,
  • 34:46there are more HPV positive cancers
  • 34:50and again the treatment can be quite
  • 34:56horrendous for for the patients and
  • 34:59really learning from from Barbara.
  • 35:01The the need is really to stratify these
  • 35:05patients to also to identify novel
  • 35:08therapeutics that might not be DNA damaging.
  • 35:11So we, my lab got interested in these
  • 35:16tumors because of our registry and tumors
  • 35:20and Fanconi anemia patients just observing
  • 35:23the patients who are becoming young adults,
  • 35:27especially bone after bone marrow transplant.
  • 35:29But even without the bone marrow transplant,
  • 35:32many of these patients have developed
  • 35:35cancer and in 2003 there was a paper
  • 35:38from the registry when I wasn't.
  • 35:41Yet there but showing that patients with
  • 35:45Fanconi anemia had 700 at least 700 fold
  • 35:50increase of of tumorigenesis in in the
  • 35:53head and neck cancer in head and neck
  • 35:56area and for vulvar cancer and for for
  • 36:01cervical cancer and anal cancer there
  • 36:04were thousandfold increases in these.
  • 36:07So these are cancers that are squamous cell
  • 36:11carcinomas in Fanconi anemia patients.
  • 36:14And they are very there.
  • 36:17There are present in the tongue
  • 36:21gingiva and buccal mucosa,
  • 36:23some pharynx and larynx,
  • 36:25but a lot of cancers in in the oral cavity.
  • 36:30We do have some esophageal cancers as
  • 36:32well and those are quite interesting,
  • 36:35but all of them have similar similar
  • 36:39genetic or molecular characteristics.
  • 36:41So here is our and this is now I'll describe
  • 36:46work and I'll go fairly quickly through it.
  • 36:49Work through that was recently published.
  • 36:53This is our cohort of patients who were
  • 36:56whose tumors were sequenced and you
  • 36:58can see that the agent diagnosis is.
  • 37:00On median of 31 years old,
  • 37:03but we have some 13 year old 16 year
  • 37:06olds with head and neck cancer that's
  • 37:09extremely aggressive and extremely
  • 37:11difficult to treat since we cannot use
  • 37:14this platin for for these patients
  • 37:16and they are radiation sensitive as
  • 37:19well as as patients although not that
  • 37:22radiation can still be used carefully
  • 37:24you can see that these patients don't
  • 37:27do well at all much worse than the.
  • 37:30Sporadic cancers and patients who are
  • 37:34here and survive long usually are
  • 37:38patients who had successful surgical
  • 37:41resection of their of their primary tumor.
  • 37:46Or occasionally radiation therapy
  • 37:48that actually was was successful.
  • 37:51OK,
  • 37:51so we were very much interested
  • 37:54in understanding the molecular
  • 37:57pathogenesis in these tumors and we
  • 38:00showed that majority of these tumors
  • 38:03were HPV negative instead majority of
  • 38:06them had P53 mutations and the P53
  • 38:10mutations were of variety, nonsense,
  • 38:13missense, frame shifts and deletions.
  • 38:17But P53 was pretty much the only Gina gene
  • 38:21that was mutated through point mutations,
  • 38:24OK.
  • 38:25All the other changes were actually
  • 38:28changes that were associated
  • 38:30with structural variants.
  • 38:32So here you can see that these are
  • 38:35number of mutations in across different
  • 38:38cancers through TCG data from TCG
  • 38:40data and I inserted our Fanconi
  • 38:43tumors and they have point mutations,
  • 38:45the number of point mutations.
  • 38:46It's pretty low and these tumors are lower
  • 38:49than in sporadic head and neck cancers.
  • 38:52And if we look at the what kind
  • 38:55of signatures are present,
  • 38:57there is no homology,
  • 38:59directed repair or smoking signature and a
  • 39:03lot of these are signatures of cell division.
  • 39:07So the reason why we think that
  • 39:09they have smaller, fewer.
  • 39:11Mutations is because they are
  • 39:15present in younger patients.
  • 39:17And instead what we see is this
  • 39:20huge genomic instability where this
  • 39:22is a circus plot and all of these,
  • 39:25all of these.
  • 39:27Lines indicate translocations and
  • 39:30structural variants that are present
  • 39:33in in these tumors and if we look at
  • 39:36number of structural variants across
  • 39:39these tumors the there is about 2 to
  • 39:43threefold increase when we compare
  • 39:45it to HPV negative tumors and HPV
  • 39:48positive tumors have very few of
  • 39:50these since they already mutated
  • 39:52P53 and RB and really don't have to
  • 39:56rely on these structural variants.
  • 39:59And this is comparable to the
  • 40:02structural variants that we see in
  • 40:04BRC 2 or BRC 1 tumors which have
  • 40:07high levels of structural variation.
  • 40:12As far as types of type of of structural
  • 40:15variance, we see number of them,
  • 40:16we see deletions, translocations,
  • 40:19inversions, all of them are increased.
  • 40:21And if you take proportion
  • 40:23of structural variance,
  • 40:25actually the on the there is a slight
  • 40:28increase of tandem duplication.
  • 40:30So pretty much across all structural
  • 40:33variants there is an increase.
  • 40:36Which is consistent with breaks being
  • 40:39made when the DNA when Fanconi pathway
  • 40:43cannot function and these breaks being
  • 40:46being repaired inappropriately and
  • 40:49it's and and to show you the extent
  • 40:52of how inappropriate this repair
  • 40:54is we used number of techniques of
  • 40:58long read sequencing and you can see
  • 41:01that pieces of chromosomes are from
  • 41:03different chromosomes chromosome 8.
  • 41:06For 1511,
  • 41:06they're all sort of strung together
  • 41:09in the in in these tumors,
  • 41:12creating these completely
  • 41:15abnormal abnormal structures.
  • 41:18So we also asked how these
  • 41:21DNA molecules come together,
  • 41:23whether there's something special
  • 41:26about them and it's many of you know
  • 41:29if you have double strand break you,
  • 41:31it can be repaired through
  • 41:33three different mechanism,
  • 41:34non homologous end joining,
  • 41:37microhomology mediated repair
  • 41:39and single strand annealing.
  • 41:41And all of these,
  • 41:44all of these should be functional
  • 41:48in Franconia negative cells.
  • 41:50And indeed when we look at the junctions
  • 41:53in franconi associated squamous
  • 41:55cell carcinoma that are shown on
  • 41:58the left and sporadic HPV negative,
  • 42:01we see the same repair mechanism
  • 42:04being active mostly on homologous non
  • 42:07homologous end joining and MJ and that's the.
  • 42:12The percentages are are identical.
  • 42:14So the interpretation of this is
  • 42:16that whenever there is a break
  • 42:18that's formed in these tumors,
  • 42:20it's being repaired just by sticking
  • 42:23the the ends together and random
  • 42:26fashion that results in these high
  • 42:29number of structural variants.
  • 42:31We also asked where these breaks
  • 42:34occur and specifically we were
  • 42:36interested to in in knowing whether
  • 42:39they occur at repetitive sites.
  • 42:42And there is some increase that's
  • 42:46statistically significant in
  • 42:48sign elements, so I'll repeat.
  • 42:51Had higher number of of breaks,
  • 42:55but when we look at the whole genome
  • 42:59we can see that the brakes and here
  • 43:02I'm showing where all of this breaks
  • 43:05out and structural variant ends are.
  • 43:10I think when they're being placed in the in
  • 43:12the genome across all of the chromosomes,
  • 43:15you can see that there is the brakes
  • 43:18are occurring throughout the genome.
  • 43:20But you do see that parts of some of
  • 43:24the genes are being hit multiple times.
  • 43:27And that's really the the way we
  • 43:30think about it is that there is
  • 43:32mutagenesis across and then on top
  • 43:35of that there's a selection of
  • 43:37particular genes that help the tumors.
  • 43:40Growth for example EGFR here is is being
  • 43:44amplified and so are other sites you know,
  • 43:47but one here.
  • 43:48This is the EGFR and and also
  • 43:52others the outcome of this.
  • 43:56Is that these tumors have very high copy
  • 44:00number variance and this is just one tumor,
  • 44:03this is Ascot plot.
  • 44:04So this is a little specific
  • 44:06copy number where total alleles
  • 44:08obviously in the cells should be 2,
  • 44:11the alternative allele should be one.
  • 44:13But you can see that there are
  • 44:16number of amplifications and their
  • 44:18amplifications and genes that we
  • 44:21all know from from tumor pathways.
  • 44:24Pick three CA make cycling.
  • 44:26One that's that's amplified in many
  • 44:29of these tumors and then there are
  • 44:32deletions and tumor suppressors
  • 44:34like CDK and two way and P53.
  • 44:37So this is a pretty representative look
  • 44:42at the at the tumor of Fanconi anemia
  • 44:46patients and this is a different way
  • 44:49of representing it where all of the.
  • 44:52The rows are the the genes that are
  • 44:56mutated and the columns are single tumor
  • 44:59that we've sequenced from Fanconi patients.
  • 45:01And you can see that orange or
  • 45:04amplifications and deletions in
  • 45:06blue and multiple of these pathways
  • 45:08are mutated in each of the genes.
  • 45:11And if you look at pick three CA and
  • 45:14Mick Amplifications 54% of these
  • 45:17tumors have Co Co amplification
  • 45:20of these two of these two.
  • 45:23Oncogenes, so this is a very,
  • 45:25this might explain part of why
  • 45:27these tumors are aggressive but
  • 45:29there are other reasons they they
  • 45:31they might be aggressive as well.
  • 45:33So to just summarize what
  • 45:36happens in franconi tumors?
  • 45:39We have.
  • 45:41Franconia pathway that protects cells
  • 45:43from creating DNA breaks when DNA
  • 45:47interstrand crosslinks are present and
  • 45:49if you have DNA breaks the structural
  • 45:53variants follow and eventually all
  • 45:55of them lead to high copy number
  • 45:58variation in these in these tumors.
  • 46:01And there is also I wanted to mention
  • 46:03there is a paper that recently
  • 46:05came out from Jean Souliers Lab
  • 46:07who looked at AML's and and AML's.
  • 46:11They also see structural variant formation,
  • 46:15fewer structural variants,
  • 46:17and they also see P53 pathway being abnormal.
  • 46:22But actually P53 itself is not mutated,
  • 46:25it's through the MDM 4 pathway that
  • 46:27that there is suppression of P53.
  • 46:30So in the bone marrow similar
  • 46:35events are happening.
  • 46:36Maybe it's at a slightly smaller,
  • 46:39smaller scale, which I don't.
  • 46:41Alright, understand.
  • 46:44And might have to do with the timing of
  • 46:47these tumors and time to evolution of
  • 46:49of and presentation of these tumors.
  • 46:52So knowing what we know
  • 46:55about frankonia tumors,
  • 46:57we then turned to sporadic cancers
  • 47:01and we were wondering whether the.
  • 47:05Structural variants that are present
  • 47:08in sporadic HPV negative tumors.
  • 47:10I showed you that there are still
  • 47:12some of them and they're shown
  • 47:14here on the right hand side.
  • 47:16These are all HPV negative
  • 47:18TCG head and neck cancers.
  • 47:19You can see that there's
  • 47:21plenty of orange and blue.
  • 47:22So there are quite a lot
  • 47:24of copy number variants,
  • 47:25not as many as in in Fanconi tumors,
  • 47:27but still.
  • 47:30A high number.
  • 47:31So we were wondering whether what
  • 47:34we find in Fanconi tumors might
  • 47:37apply to to head and neck cancer
  • 47:41and sporadic and sporadic cases.
  • 47:44And what we decided to do is to look at
  • 47:49a copy number variants and stratify tumors.
  • 47:53So now these are the TCG TCG data
  • 47:56HPV negative tumors and stratify
  • 48:00them into top quartile.
  • 48:02Tumors with a high number
  • 48:04of copy number variants,
  • 48:06so top quartile,
  • 48:07and then compare them to the low quartile,
  • 48:10the top 1/4 of tumors with
  • 48:14the low copy number variants,
  • 48:17and we could correlate the
  • 48:20number of pack years with the
  • 48:23level of copy number variants.
  • 48:25So the higher smoking history,
  • 48:28the higher copy number variants.
  • 48:31And when we looked at signatures that
  • 48:34were present and in these two we could
  • 48:37also show that the top quartile.
  • 48:39Had about twofold increase in signatures
  • 48:45of ID 38SBS4 and others and these
  • 48:49are smoking associated in Dells,
  • 48:50so that's not surprising,
  • 48:52right?
  • 48:52That's correlates with the pack history
  • 48:56but also non homologous end joining
  • 48:59and benzopyrene and acetaldehyde.
  • 49:01That suggests something we we already
  • 49:04know from epidemiological studies that
  • 49:07smoking and drinking go together.
  • 49:10So we so these patients probably
  • 49:13are also enriched for for
  • 49:16increased alcohol exposure.
  • 49:18So taking all of this together,
  • 49:22we come up with this hypothesis
  • 49:25that in sporadic cancers,
  • 49:28the tobacco and alcohol exposure creates
  • 49:33DNA inter interesting crosslinks.
  • 49:36Obviously it creates other mutagenic events,
  • 49:39including P53,
  • 49:40which is an early event that then
  • 49:42allows structural variants to occur.
  • 49:45And Franconia pathway even though
  • 49:48that it's present in these in
  • 49:51these tumors and maybe it might
  • 49:54be somatically decreased or maybe
  • 49:56there are some genetic factors
  • 49:58that that are involved here,
  • 50:01but frankonia pathway which
  • 50:03is largely efficient.
  • 50:05There isn't just enough of it and
  • 50:08it's over is overwhelmed and unable to
  • 50:11repair all the DNA into crosslinks.
  • 50:14It's also important that P53 is is
  • 50:16mutated in these so you cannot depend
  • 50:19on P53 pathway to to increase the Franconia.
  • 50:25Green expression kind of going in
  • 50:28gene expression patterns and all
  • 50:29of this results in DNA breaks,
  • 50:31structural variants and the same
  • 50:34pathway leading to copy number alterations.
  • 50:38So taken together,
  • 50:39you know when we look at the
  • 50:42FRANKLINIA pathway function or if we
  • 50:45have patients with low pathway function,
  • 50:49they have very high levels of head
  • 50:51and neck cancers and other squamous
  • 50:53cell carcinomas, maybe not 100%,
  • 50:55but if they Long live long enough,
  • 50:58very high levels and if we have
  • 51:02full function we are protected.
  • 51:04However, there are a number of
  • 51:06genetic modifiers whether it's a.
  • 51:08The
  • 51:11H2CTA4DC GSTM one and others,
  • 51:13as well as these environmental
  • 51:16modifiers of alcohol tobacco that
  • 51:19is making this pathway functionally
  • 51:22inefficient leading to to higher
  • 51:24probability of head and neck cancer.
  • 51:28So I'll finish and um,
  • 51:31I'll just acknowledge my lab.
  • 51:34This is Arlene, who's been
  • 51:36instrumental in starting the registry.
  • 51:39Munjung Jung has worked on a LH9A1.
  • 51:44They work on head and neck cancers,
  • 51:46was hugely collaborative work,
  • 51:48and we were helped by Matthias Sanders.
  • 51:53Working with Peter Campbell and Andrew
  • 51:56Webster drove this work in my lab.
  • 51:58And we had.
  • 52:00A lot of collaborators,
  • 52:02clinical and patient collaborators
  • 52:06and and also other bioinformaticians
  • 52:10who've who've helped us.
  • 52:13And I'd like to thank my funding agencies,
  • 52:18tons of collaborators and
  • 52:21especially patients and families.
  • 52:23And these are some of the young adults
  • 52:25few years ago before the pandemic and
  • 52:27I know that at least five of these.
  • 52:30Adults are have passed away with with
  • 52:33head and neck cancer and during this time.
  • 52:36So I'll take questions.
  • 52:40Thank you.
  • 52:49OK. That was wonderful.
  • 52:50For those of you who are online,
  • 52:52please use the Q&A function to to bring your
  • 52:55questions and I think Jeff. Jeff, yeah.
  • 52:59Ohh uh you can have a microphone.
  • 53:01I think it's here.
  • 53:04And and maybe I'll just start
  • 53:06with Nadia, Dimitrova asked.
  • 53:08Do you see evidence of extrachromosomal
  • 53:10DNA circles and FA tumors to
  • 53:13explain the amplifications and
  • 53:14we haven't really looked at that,
  • 53:17but that would be a good idea.
  • 53:19We do see a lot of tandem duplications
  • 53:22in the in the especially Mick and
  • 53:25other areas that would explain
  • 53:27the amplifications as well. Jeff
  • 53:29yeah. So that was a great talk,
  • 53:30incredibly clear and insightful.
  • 53:32I really appreciate it.
  • 53:33I really like that last diagram.
  • 53:35I know it was meant diagrammatically
  • 53:36at least the way you showed it,
  • 53:38but it can't.
  • 53:39That doesn't stop me from
  • 53:41asking do you have a way to
  • 53:44quantify Fanconi anemia pathway
  • 53:46function on that X axis or not.
  • 53:48That's a really,
  • 53:49that's a really good question.
  • 53:51So we we have some way of doing that
  • 53:54within the Franconia population,
  • 53:57so something that I haven't talked about.
  • 53:59We have. The registry has been
  • 54:01amazing and we sequence now
  • 54:04pretty much everybody who we had.
  • 54:06The DNA for to look for phenotype,
  • 54:10genotype correlations and
  • 54:11there are a lot of phenotype,
  • 54:14genotype correlations that we can tease
  • 54:16out and we've started to describe them.
  • 54:20And the function we can at the lower
  • 54:23end it's hard to tease it out but
  • 54:25you can definitely do that with
  • 54:28number of foci with ubiquitination
  • 54:30of fancd 2 and Frank I it's not great
  • 54:33I think we need a better assay for
  • 54:36for doing that on the top end I think
  • 54:39when we have like what we see what
  • 54:42we think fully functional pathway.
  • 54:45It's really difficult to say
  • 54:47whether it's 95 or or 90%.
  • 54:51So we haven't really been able to do that.
  • 54:55But as you saw from the second
  • 54:57part of my talk, you know,
  • 54:59even a little bit of DNA damage
  • 55:01can lead to chromosome breakage
  • 55:03like the ones that we induce when
  • 55:05we don't have a LDH 9A1.
  • 55:07So I think there might be ways of of
  • 55:10doing better assay development for this.
  • 55:16So.
  • 55:21So if I can
  • 55:23ask a question. So one of the things
  • 55:25we're noticing in the virtual tumor
  • 55:26board that we do for these young adults
  • 55:29with head neck cancer is that they are
  • 55:31really not at all responsive to immune
  • 55:34checkpoint inhibition which is often
  • 55:35been brought forward as as something
  • 55:37that might not be so DNA damaging.
  • 55:39And I wonder if you could speculate
  • 55:42about that both from the perspective of?
  • 55:45Sort of this global picture you've been
  • 55:47talking about with structural variants,
  • 55:48not some so many single nucleotide variants.
  • 55:51But also, is there anything that came out
  • 55:53in your gene signatures that would speak to?
  • 55:56I saw NSDD one which sometimes is
  • 55:58associated with immune exclusion.
  • 56:00Are you getting a picture from the mutations
  • 56:02of what the immune status might be?
  • 56:05So from the mutations we we
  • 56:08do we do see deletions in.
  • 56:13A message. Will say.
  • 56:18But frankly the the genome instability
  • 56:22probably has a big part in the in the
  • 56:27inability to have immune response right.
  • 56:29So we are very much interested in
  • 56:32that and we are starting to to look
  • 56:34at that the tumor microenvironment
  • 56:36in these tumors in particular
  • 56:38thinking that it's it will be a good
  • 56:41model for for understanding that.
  • 56:44So we'll, we'll, we'll see.
  • 56:45But it definitely looks like it
  • 56:47would be too more suppressive, yeah.
  • 56:52Tommy.
  • 57:05Yes. So that's an interesting question and
  • 57:08there is some some data in the literature
  • 57:12that implicates mitochondrial DNA damage and
  • 57:14Fanconi function within the mitochondria.
  • 57:17I'm not sure how the fund Fanconi
  • 57:20proteins would get into the mitochondria,
  • 57:23but it's something that we have not.
  • 57:26Explored. It would be so that,
  • 57:29I'm sorry, the question was about the
  • 57:31mitochondrial damage and whether there
  • 57:33is increased mitochondrial damage.
  • 57:35We we haven't really explored that.
  • 57:39Um, and there would be.
  • 57:42Well, it's it, it would be doable, right.
  • 57:45I mean you just we would have to
  • 57:47look at mitochondria specifically.
  • 57:50The audio. That's right.
  • 57:53A lot of these, yes.
  • 57:55A lot of these are the
  • 57:57detoxification enzymes.
  • 57:58Not all of them,
  • 57:59but many of them are within the mitochondria.
  • 58:04The spermine? Yep.
  • 58:11Right. Right.
  • 58:18Right. Yeah. So there is a lot,
  • 58:20a lot that we could explore in in this
  • 58:23disease and mitochondrial function
  • 58:24definitely has been brought up as as one
  • 58:28of the places where where we should,
  • 58:30we should look more.
  • 58:34There was one question,
  • 58:36is there a bias toward either focal or
  • 58:40ARM level copy number alterations or
  • 58:43both equally in FA tumors when compared
  • 58:46to HPV negative head and neck cancers.
  • 58:48So we see, we see both,
  • 58:50I don't know if if we really compare them
  • 58:54so we can say whether it's equal or not,
  • 58:57but we see, we see we see some ARM
  • 59:01level copy number alterations as well.
  • 59:04But majority I would say,
  • 59:06are the focal type.
  • 59:14OK, yes. It seems that.
  • 59:22Particular these metabolic enzymes.
  • 59:27Essentially necessary to collect cells of the
  • 59:31dehydrogenases ID. Also very common.
  • 59:36Biosynthesis inhibitors.
  • 59:42Do you think, well, what are your insights
  • 59:44on a particular reason why blood
  • 59:46cells would be more susceptible?
  • 59:51Right. So one possibility is that
  • 59:53they are really not more susceptible,
  • 59:56they are just the there are
  • 59:58fewer of them and they exhaust
  • 60:00faster than any other stem cells,
  • 01:00:02right, so that that's let's
  • 01:00:04leave that as a possibility.
  • 01:00:06The other is we know for formaldehyde.
  • 01:00:11That. Very high levels of formal
  • 01:00:16formaldehyde can be formed close to the
  • 01:00:19DNA during the differentiation process.
  • 01:00:22So one hypothesis is that you're
  • 01:00:27having differentiation that happens
  • 01:00:29during very few replication cycles,
  • 01:00:33and that vulnerability of two
  • 01:00:36formaldehyde is very high.
  • 01:00:39Umm.
  • 01:00:41So that's a possibility in coratina sites
  • 01:00:44when we do an assay for for example
  • 01:00:47whether ADH two or ADH 5 or important
  • 01:00:50in with human characteristics sides,
  • 01:00:53there doesn't seem to be that dependency
  • 01:00:56within the fungi 2 or frank a negative.
  • 01:00:59But we when we start playing with
  • 01:01:02lipids metabolism they show up.
  • 01:01:04And then it makes sense because it's the the,
  • 01:01:08the lipid metabolism is very important in the
  • 01:01:11in the as a barrier in correcting the sites.
  • 01:01:14So some of it,
  • 01:01:15I I do believe that some of it will come to
  • 01:01:20specific functions or a particular stem cell.
  • 01:01:23Um, and I think just more
  • 01:01:25needs to be done to understand,
  • 01:01:27to understand that one of
  • 01:01:29the challenges is that.
  • 01:01:31It's very hard to identify how much
  • 01:01:34of these aldehydes are present and
  • 01:01:37especially within the DNA it's just
  • 01:01:40very difficult to to quantify these.
  • 01:01:44But it's an I think it's
  • 01:01:46a very interesting area.
  • 01:01:50OK, Ryan. Yeah, great talk about it.
  • 01:01:54This morning, your copy number,
  • 01:01:56your copy number, application
  • 01:01:57analysis. Have you ever
  • 01:01:59have you looked at the sequences
  • 01:02:00of those copy numbers?
  • 01:02:01Are they mutating in each copy number?
  • 01:02:03And what do you think
  • 01:02:04driving that copy number,
  • 01:02:05especially the amplification?
  • 01:02:07Do you think it's like a DNA repair
  • 01:02:09pathway, like pull Theta
  • 01:02:11or something like that?
  • 01:02:12Yes. So let me just,
  • 01:02:14I don't know if I left.
  • 01:02:16Oh, I can't escape, OK.
  • 01:02:19Well, I won't try to find slides for this.
  • 01:02:23So we as far as you mean like
  • 01:02:27point mutations within the within
  • 01:02:30the amplified regions,
  • 01:02:32we don't really see any kind of.
  • 01:02:36Aggregation of mutations
  • 01:02:38like at the junctions.
  • 01:02:40Let's say we've looked at that.
  • 01:02:42Um, and the way I some of these
  • 01:02:46amplifications occur through
  • 01:02:48probably or are consistent with
  • 01:02:50let's say that with stalling at the,
  • 01:02:54at the at the cross link or
  • 01:02:57some other lesion and reversal?
  • 01:03:00So we do see these inversions that
  • 01:03:03that are associated would be expected
  • 01:03:06to be associated with replication.
  • 01:03:09Some of them are tandem duplications
  • 01:03:12and I think a nice system to figure
  • 01:03:15this out is actually in a system
  • 01:03:18where you have tester sequences
  • 01:03:21and stalling through tester that
  • 01:03:25that would be one place where you
  • 01:03:27could model some of these, I think.
  • 01:03:29I guess I was thinking of all these
  • 01:03:31reversion mutations that arise
  • 01:03:32like in Fanconi anemia perhaps
  • 01:03:34you know the copy
  • 01:03:35numbers. They're sampling different
  • 01:03:36genetic states so they can, you
  • 01:03:38know, sort of revert to a.
  • 01:03:40I have a lot to say about the,
  • 01:03:42the copy, not the the reversions
  • 01:03:44in Fanconi because we have a whole
  • 01:03:47another paper that's coming soon on
  • 01:03:49mosaicism in the blood and a lot of
  • 01:03:52these mutations are actually somatic
  • 01:03:54recombination events that are UMPD,
  • 01:03:58their uniparental disomy events.
  • 01:04:01So there are, yes,
  • 01:04:02there are point mutations and there
  • 01:04:04are other things happening you know,
  • 01:04:06splice site.
  • 01:04:08New splice site mutations
  • 01:04:10and things like that,
  • 01:04:11but a lot of them are are full uniparental
  • 01:04:15disomy through mitotic recombination.
  • 01:04:18Which I think is interesting.
  • 01:04:20Thank you.
  • 01:04:21Thank you very much.
  • 01:04:23Thank you.
  • 01:04:27Um, for the fellows I think you're.